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Originally Posted by Joeteck View Post

That is true, however can you provide me with documentation from either of those manufactures that defragging is prohibited ? and I'm not talking Tom hardware guide posting it. I want to see good hard evidence that this should never be done...

http://www.intel.com/support/ssdc/hpssd/sb/CS-029623.htm
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Do I need to defragment my Intel® Mainstream Solid-State Drive (using Windows* Disk Defragmenter* or similar program)?
No. SSD devices, unlike traditional HDDs, see no performance benefit from traditional HDD defragmentation tools. Disable any automatic or scheduled defragmentation utilities for your Intel SSD. Using these tools simply adds unnecessary wear to the SSD.

It's not prohibited but it is pointless at best. If you knew how defragmentation works, how LBA work, and how SSDs work... you would understand what you are saying does not make sense.
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If there were corrupted files, the defrag would re-write these files, ergo removing the error. Maybe a file system check would have been better?
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You are telling people to do something that will dramatically lower the lifetime of their SSD. It won't hurt the SSD anymore than running a benchmark on it? Simply by understanding what defragging does will tell you that's not true.

Do NOT defrag your SSDs. Fragmentation is not going to affect a SSD's speed, it has .1ms access time anywhere on the device. It doesn't matter where the files are located. All you are doing by defraging is lowering it's life time by doing massive amounts of unneeded write cycles. I really don't care if you defrag your SSD, but don't come on here recommending others to do so. I would hate to see someone read this and start defraging their SSD on a regular basis.

Also Duckie is pretty much a god when it comes to this stuff, he is rarely wrong and after reading his posts over the years, I pretty much take what he says as law. If you question him, he will backup his claims with proof (as shown above tongue.gif).
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I got my MCSE and MCSA, Passed my A+ ... I've noticed my SSD is starting to run like a potato so im going to try and defrag.. if it messes it up, then I will hold £80 to your name, if it makes things better, then I will thank you.
but from my own knowledge SSD's dont need to be defragged..
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May I ask on how many different models of SSD you have tested this on?
Also, with all the different types of software & hardware out there today, I believe it is impossible for one person to know everything there is
to know......Isn't that why we are all here?

I can understand your disbelief. I was extremely hesitant to press the button to defrag, but the drive was giving me to much issues, I had to try the unthinkable. Defrag an SSD. Now, just to make this clear, these are boot drives, made as slaves in another PC, where the OS can repair any issues during the boot up process of another system.. I'm sure you've seen the chkdsk process run if it detects a corrupted drive.. its a light blue screen, going through the stages of repair... Now since its an SSD, it repaired the drive lickity-split , and the defrag in about 2 minutes...

I would not make myself look like a digbat for no reason if it did not work...
    
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post #35 of 67
Bear in mind that the OP said the drive he defragged was a 3 year old 8GB drive in a thin client system.

That means all of the advances of modern SSD controllers won't exist.

It likely won't do proper wear levelling.

It probably won't have the faintest idea about TRIM.

It might not address multiple channels to improve speed.

I'd want to test it out myself, but several of the replies seem to be living a strange dream of SSDs always having these amazing wear levelling, TRIM, garbage collection and multi-channel NAND addressing algorithms... which they did not. I killed a couple of CompactFlash cards a few years ago by experimenting with them on a CF/IDE converter. And remember the Anandtech articles showing early SSD drive performance nosedive before TRIM/garbage collection? wink.gif

edit: Even so, I'm sceptical about the application of this - certainly to modern solid state drives.
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You are telling people to do something that will dramatically lower the lifetime of their SSD. It won't hurt the SSD anymore than running a benchmark on it? Simply by understanding what defragging does will tell you that's not true.
Do NOT defrag your SSDs. Fragmentation is not going to affect a SSD's speed, it has .1ms access time anywhere on the device. It doesn't matter where the files are located. All you are doing by defraging is lowering it's life time by doing massive amounts of unneeded write cycles. I really don't care if you defrag your SSD, but don't come on here recommending others to do so. I would hate to see someone read this and start defraging their SSD on a regular basis.
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actually, I take that back, aint doing it... dont want to wear down my Agility 3 even if it is running like a potato.. anyway to speed it up?

Why is it slowing down? Its an SSD... Hmm... Interesting information. A slowing down SSD.. I did not think that was even possible...
    
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I'm sure you've seen the chkdsk process run if it detects a corrupted drive.. its a light blue screen, going through the stages of repair... Now since its an SSD, it repaired the drive lickity-split , .

I think that is what fixed the drives not the defrag
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Why is it slowing down? Its an SSD... Hmm... Interesting information. A slowing down SSD.. I did not think that was even possible...
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You are telling people to do something that will dramatically lower the lifetime of their SSD. It won't hurt the SSD anymore than running a benchmark on it? Simply by understanding what defragging does will tell you that's not true.
Do NOT defrag your SSDs. Fragmentation is not going to affect a SSD's speed, it has .1ms access time anywhere on the device. It doesn't matter where the files are located. All you are doing by defraging is lowering it's life time by doing massive amounts of unneeded write cycles. If you understand what fragmentation is, and how an SSD works.. you will know that defragging it is doing nothing but hurting it. If you noticed a speed boost it's because your SSD or OS doesn't support TRIM, or you aren't using it.
I really don't care if you defrag your SSD, but don't come on here recommending others to do so.

You're correct, it will not speed up your drive.. That's not the point of defragging... Its to prevent file corruption due to a heavily fragmented drive...
    
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I got my MCSE and MCSA, Passed my A+ ... I've noticed my SSD is starting to run like a potato so im going to try and defrag.. if it messes it up, then I will hold £80 to your name, if it makes things better, then I will thank you.
but from my own knowledge SSD's dont need to be defragged..
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May I ask on how many different models of SSD you have tested this on?
Also, with all the different types of software & hardware out there today, I believe it is impossible for one person to know everything there is
to know......Isn't that why we are all here?

I can understand your disbelief. I was extremely hesitant to press the button to defrag, but the drive was giving me to much issues, I had to try the unthinkable. Defrag an SSD. Now, just to make this clear, these are boot drives, made as slaves in another PC, where the OS can repair any issues during the boot up process of another system.. I'm sure you've seen the chkdsk process run if it detects a corrupted drive.. its a light blue screen, going through the stages of repair... Now since its an SSD, it repaired the drive lickity-split , and the defrag in about 2 minutes...

I would not make myself look like a digbat for no reason if it did not work...

what you are seeing is the results of chkdsk, not defrag
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Is it not possible that by defragging it took from a aging / corrupted block and put it into one that was working/
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