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post #11 of 19
hahahah, about halfway through, I scrolled down and read that you translated..... when I continued reading, my mind read it in a German accent LOL
very informative though, first time I've read this.
bottom line, just go LN2 tongue.gif

EDIT: you know what would be totally awesome? cover a whole MB and components in this stuff http://www.liquipel.com/ and just throw it inside your fish tank! O.O

PEOPLE WITH MONEY! TRY THIS NOW! for the good of the community!
Edited by NXZ-MEAD - 2/17/12 at 2:42pm
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post #12 of 19
I read a lot about this before I started with water cooling, some said "you have ti use silver coil" and other said "i've used distiled water only for long time and no problem". I've ended up not using any coil or other additive at all. Oh well, only time will tell if i made the wrong decision. rolleyes.gif
post #13 of 19
I run both copper sulfate and silver coil, yet my EK copper blocks still look as good as new after a year(ish) of continuous use--I check them quite often, too. Personally, I wouldn't trust a thing from EK about their Nickle blocks corroding and flaking, and them pointing the finger at something _other_ than shoddy plating. I mean, of course they aren't going to say their product was/is bad, they want to stay in business... So I can either look at my own blocks, which have had distilled treated with both Copper Sulfate and Silver coil running through them for the past year (ish), and believe the evidence they are providing, or I can believe this... hmmmm... Sorry, but I trust my blocks, and my blocks say those additives are fine.

Also, much of the 'evidence' (if you can even call it that) used for the argument in this article is either made by a company that is having a problem with corrosion on their blocks (due to crappy plating), or a company that sells products which directly compete with both silvercoil and Copper Sulfate treatments. I am sure you can see the problem with the conflict of interest... right? These cannot be reliable sources for this argument because they cannot be fully trusted and are no way near neutral.
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post #14 of 19
Quote:
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Doesn't this happen anyway, since ion transfers from metal in the loop (whether it's copper, nickel, tin, brass, steel, etc...) to the water and make it more conductive? It's also worth noting that only pure water does not conduct electricity, and distilled is NOT the same as pure. Even if you obtain chemically pure water, it becomes impure as soon as it's introduced into the loop, it's almost impossibly easy for this to happen especially where water self-ionizes (though not enough on its own to carry sufficient current to actually do anything).

yep, distilled/deionized water will become conductive in days to weeks at most when exposed to our rads/blocks. This university study measured the rate at which DI water or propylene glycol or mix or mix plus ion scavenging nanoparticles pulled ions from their radiator/pump/tubes. See graph and the rapid increase in conductivity of pure DI water. Adding copper sulphate simply gives you a month or so jump in fluid conductivity. But it is true that corrosion inhibitors as EK wishes will slow rate down somewhat. But even the best ion scavenging nanoparticles plus triazole inhibitors, the fluid still becomes conductive in a few months. But distilled water isnt going to be safe after a week or two in our loops.

And the people using nothing and getting no growth, it is because they were lucky and made it to the first month or 2 without contamination, after that enough copper ions are probably dissolved to prevent growth.

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Edited by opt33 - 2/17/12 at 3:21pm
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What's the next step, UV sterilizers?
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I never said to anyone that they have to trust my information, that is for you guys to decide. I just translated this as it made so much sence and I thought that it would be relevant to this comunitys interest. smile.gif Im not trying to start a debate, but I might have foresought one coming from posting something like this biggrin.gif

The company that wrote this carries this stuff to warn people, not to profit from it. Only about 3 lines in the OP is from/about EK.
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Everything, and it is not the report from EK, its the item info from a norwegian store for watercooling and components smile.gif
source 1
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lol, I called them and asked if they had it a few months ago and they told me they'd look into it. Cool that they bought in some smile.gif
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I never said to anyone that they have to trust my information, that is for you guys to decide. I just translated this as it made so much sence and I thought that it would be relevant to this comunitys interest. smile.gif Im not trying to start a debate, but I might have foresought one coming from posting something like this biggrin.gif
The company that wrote this carries this stuff to warn people, not to profit from it. Only about 3 lines in the OP is from/about EK.

That company sells EK EN nickel waterblocks, and the wording is exactly what EK is telling everyone. I seriously doubt any sales person or owner of that store somehow came up with all the exact same concepts/wording as EK, plus just happens to sell EK nickel products.

So to me that is EK doing the talking, just via a third party. Ie, that site is simply passing on EK's warning/information that no doubt EK is sending to anyone that sells their blocks.

And no one was arguing with you, glad you posted it for us to read thumb.gif

If I had to use EK nickel, I would definitely follow their advice and use corrosion inhibitors, but wouldnt be surprised if had issues down the road even following their advice.

But for past 8 years, I have used copper blocks, brass rad, copper sulfate (pt nuke) and that is it, no issues and never expect any. The little bit of black oxidation on copper I clean off in 1 minute with vinegar/salt every 1-2 years.
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What's the next step, UV sterilizers?

I agree, we are making this way too complicated than it should be. But I have to disagree, ozone is where its at. tongue.gif
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