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http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/systems-2011/murderbox-mk2/murderbox-mk2.htm
I'm wondering if anyone on OCN did a build-log with metal pipes for their wc system (link for reference). Just curious what the costs were, how they obtained/fabricated the parts, etc.
Sorry if this is a redundant post.
cheers!

I would`nt waste my time with copper piping, too much hassle finding fittings, being rigid may cause vibration problems to sensitive parts. also you have to keep in mind that if you have a leak or want to change or modify a component you must cut it out or use a union joint at all connections! copper is one of the better conducters of heat,gold and silver very good as well, believe it or not mercury is the best by far.pipe inside the case will not dissipate a lot of heat because of the lack of surface area you would have to wrap it with some copper or aluminum fins, but in any case you dont want any extra heat inside the case. ps i`m a plumber and hydronic heating tech with 35 years exp. sorry about rambling on, stick with our plastic tubing and wrap if you must. best wishes and intentions.bike.gifmario.gif
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I would`nt waste my time with copper piping, too much hassle finding fittings, being rigid may cause vibration problems to sensitive parts. also you have to keep in mind that if you have a leak or want to change or modify a component you must cut it out or use a union joint at all connections! copper is one of the better conducters of heat,gold and silver very good as well, believe it or not mercury is the best by far.pipe inside the case will not dissipate a lot of heat because of the lack of surface area you would have to wrap it with some copper or aluminum fins, but in any case you dont want any extra heat inside the case. ps i`m a plumber and hydronic heating tech with 35 years exp. sorry about rambling on, stick with our plastic tubing and wrap if you must. best wishes and intentions.bike.gifmario.gif

The SLI fittings have 2 orings in them, the copper pipes rest on these so vibrations would be dampened at these joints
As for extra heat being transferred to the case by the pipes, what are you on about the water in the pipe will only be a few degrees above ambient so I doubt that it will add to case heat much but if you were concerned you would not put stupid little aluminium fins on it.
also Gold is a good conductor of heat but surprisingly expensive, as both copper and silver are better at conducting heat, it would be not only more expensive than copper it wouldn't work as well. So I cant see anyone using gold for it's heat conductive properties,unless they were also taking advantage of its non corrosive properties (the real reason it is used in electronics).
I only pointed out these points as you made a point of being an expert with 35 yrs experience
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post #23 of 28
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The SLI fittings have 2 orings in them, the copper pipes rest on these so vibrations would be dampened at these joints
As for extra heat being transferred to the case by the pipes, what are you on about the water in the pipe will only be a few degrees above ambient so I doubt that it will add to case heat much but if you were concerned you would not put stupid little aluminium fins on it.
also Gold is a good conductor of heat but surprisingly expensive, as both copper and silver are better at conducting heat, it would be not only more expensive than copper it wouldn't work as well. So I cant see anyone using gold for it's heat conductive properties,unless they were also taking advantage of its non corrosive properties (the real reason it is used in electronics).
I only pointed out these points as you made a point of being an expert with 35 yrs experience

sorry you missunderstood what i was trying to get at.No way would i try to do the piping in gold or silver i was just stating coefficients, i thought in an earlier post they were expecting to dissipate some heat. I`m still up in the air about the vibration thing, I wouldn`t do it myself.mario.gif
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While we are on this topic, How would these SLI fittings (Bitspower C47's) hold on to the tubing? Is it just the pressure of the o-rings on the inside?
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While we are on this topic, How would these SLI fittings (Bitspower C47's) hold on to the tubing? Is it just the pressure of the o-rings on the inside?

well the tubing bitspower uses is 12mm, and if you use 1/2" tubing which is 12.7mm so that has a lot of extra clamping pressure
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no moving parts just the precise fit of the 2 O rings
it comes with a lot of silicone grease on to aid in sliding in the tube without pulling the oring from it's seat.
there are also a lot of different brands that make similar fittings for sli connectors
DD, Koolance, Phobia, etc.
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post #27 of 28
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i must say, those koolance fittings look atrocious LOL. i had considered using those but after seeing that White TJ07 and the new Murderbox MkII, i think those bitspower fittings are the way to go haha. plus they're not one time use only. if you damage the o-rings, can just buy a new pack!

You need to be able to put a wrench on them. Knurling won't cut it.
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It will but it is one use only and the deform ring is deformed and needs to be replaced if fitting is loosened .
Koolance sell replacements, but I don't know what sort of damage would be done to end of pipe while it deformed

Any hardware store will have spare ferrules.
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I would`nt waste my time with copper piping, too much hassle finding fittings, being rigid may cause vibration problems to sensitive parts. also you have to keep in mind that if you have a leak or want to change or modify a component you must cut it out or use a union joint at all connections! copper is one of the better conducters of heat,gold and silver very good as well, believe it or not mercury is the best by far.
Mercury is a fantastic conductor of heat, but it holds very little, which makes it not so great for cooling systems.
 
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Did anyone see the TJ07 in that link? That's the best build log I've ever seen including anything by MurderMod; I cannot find a single flaw with it. Only thing that would make it perfect is if he replaced the Koolance CPU block with an EK nickel top.

*snip*

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White is the most beautiful PC I have ever seen.
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