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- Native SATA III 6Gb/s support for 6 ports, no more SATA II 3Gb/s support on the chipset;
- Support for Analog displays, The CPUs will support digital displays;
- Up to 6 USB 3.0 ports, USB ports will be ‘switchable’ between USB 2.0 and 3.0;
- PCI-E Gen2 DMI (meaning PCI, PCI-E 1X and PCI-E 4X slots will all run off PCI-E 2.0). The Processors will support PCI-E Gen3 for video cards;

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Why would "switchable" USB 3.0 ports be needed? USB has always been backwards compatible.
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Must be reserving Thunderbolt for the "Extreme" boards as Intel is putting it? Looks like Lynx Point will be for mid-range boards. Since there's still a whole year to go before this is released, I'm hoping that Thunderbolt will become an option for board makers. I really would like that sooner rather than later.

Don't get the whole analog and digital display thing. Are they making the analog connection (VGA) optional and built onto the motherboard if manufactures want it, where the digital (HDMI, DVI, DP) is on the CPU?

At least there will be 6 native USB 3.0 ports and 6 SATA III ports. Works well considering that both of those are backwards compatible with USB 2 and SATA II respectively. I've yet to use more than 3 USB ports for everything, due to hubs.
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Must be reserving Thunderbolt for the "Extreme" boards as Intel is putting it? Looks like Lynx Point will be for mid-range boards. Since there's still a whole year to go before this is released, I'm hoping that Thunderbolt will become an option for board makers. I really would like that sooner rather than later.
Don't get the whole analog and digital display thing. Are they making the analog connection (VGA) optional and built onto the motherboard if manufactures want it, where the digital (HDMI, DVI, DP) is on the CPU?
At least there will be 6 native USB 3.0 ports and 6 SATA III ports. Works well considering that both of those are backwards compatible with USB 2 and SATA II respectively. I've yet to use more than 3 USB ports for everything, due to hubs.

I'm doubting Thunderbolt will be brought to the PC side if Apple has anything to say about it.
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I'm doubting Thunderbolt will be brought to the PC side if Apple has anything to say about it.

Not that its even needed with USB3, just another useless port that no one will ever use like firewire.
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I'm doubting Thunderbolt will be brought to the PC side if Apple has anything to say about it.

you do know that apple has nothing to do with thunderbolt right? it was invented by Intel, and the display port was invented by VESA.
 
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So chipset is still running at PCIe 2.0. At least now we have 6 SATA 6.0 Gbps ports, so people can stop complaining.
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Not that its even needed with USB3, just another useless port that no one will ever use like firewire.

Firewire is still pretty useful in mini-DV (camcorder).
Edited by trumpet-205 - 2/17/12 at 8:40pm
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Firewire is good for external storage, too, if you don't have eSATA or USB 3.0.
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Why would "switchable" USB 3.0 ports be needed? USB has always been backwards compatible.

Perhaps to provide a mix of 2.0 and 3.0 headers? Who knows...
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Need to remember, Thunderbolt is a PCIe port and what it's capable of is much more than what USB 3.0 could offer. Not only for external GPUs, but for other hardware too. With cameras now in the 30MP+ range, transferring 100's of large RAW files in a matter of seconds would be awesome. Not to mention what it'll even do for HD video content and even 2k and 4k videos. Going from camera to editing to the final product would be faster because of the read/write speeds TB produces, around 700MB/s. That's one bottleneck I'm noticing when I'm editing. Sure I have the CPU and GPU maxed out, but actually playing the video back in a preview cause it's reading slow is usually what causes stuttering.

Intel had Apple help with Thunderbolt when they were developing it, but Intel owns everything to it. They were going to use a USB connection, but the board that regulates USB denied them because it wasn't designed for something like that, so decided on miniDisplayPort. Apple does own miniDisplayPort and licences it for free, but since then VESA has adopted the connection.

I'd be slightly disappointed if Thunderbolt isn't included on some Haswell boards, but it's not something that'd prevent me from upgrading to it, although there would be no advantage to upgrade from what I have right now besides SATA III and PCIe 3.0. I have USB 3.0 already thanks to a PCIe 1x hub. Will have to wait and see what the processor is going to be like, whether it'd be even worth upgrading this i5-760 or wait for the Broadwell "Tock" lineup.
Edited by Lareson - 2/17/12 at 9:07pm
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If Thunderbolt hit a home run, that is widespread mainstream adoption, I might consider Broadwell.
Edited by trumpet-205 - 2/17/12 at 9:11pm
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