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Sorry but no. A vote for Steam isn't a vote for Origin. In fact you can see this by noticing all the other current DD providers and noticing not one of them tracks you like Origin does.

I was responding to a post where the user was saying that he/she does not want his game library fragmented throughout different services and would prefer if everything was on steam. I countered by saying that by using steam he's encouraging other companies to try the DD market. How you turned this into the whole 'Origin steals all your info!' argument of why it's not acceptable is beyond me. It wasn't even remotely related the question at hand.
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why
If its in the eula, you can expect them to use it at some point. Ironically, whe that finally happens then your next argumnt will probably be how its the user fault for agreeing to the eula.
I don't ever remembr seeing when steam scanned those same file and I've read through nearly every Origin debate. plus origin states what they can do in the eula whereas steam sets pretty firm terms about not selling your info

Have you even read the Origin EULA?
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2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data.

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected, used and
shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and sensibly.
Information about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA
would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it
ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines
. We and agents acting
on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without your
consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to
enforce EA’s legal rights.

In addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects nonpersonally identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our
products and services
, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of
software updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as
communicating with you. The non-personally identifiable information that EA
collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer
(including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as
information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful
installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware.

As noted above, this information is gathered periodically for purposes such as
improving our products and services, troubleshooting bugs, and otherwise
enhancing your user experience.

Link to eula

Where do you see the parts about selling your info? because there are no such claims in that document.
 
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Big Huge Games is a studio that's not owned by EA. KoA: Reckoning is published through EA Partners program, and that was enough leeway that they could publish on Steam.

That's not the reason. The reason why is b/c they simply know that lesser titles or titles for casual gamers don't have the pull to make people deal with a new DD. Which is why the Sims 3, owned by EA and a major title but designed for casual gamers, is still available on Steam and has new DLC available for it on Steam as well.
    
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Actually, I do not think Origin is horrible. It just needs a few things added and fixed.

I agree man. It's been getting better, and it isn't intrusive - no more so than Steam. Honestly I kind of like it.
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I was responding to a post where the user was saying that he/she does not want his game library fragmented throughout different services and would prefer if everything was on steam. I countered by saying that by using steam he's encouraging other companies to try the DD market. How you turned this into the whole 'Origin steals all your info!' argument of why it's not acceptable is beyond me. It wasn't even remotely related the question at hand.
It is practically the main variable between them so it's quite related when comparing the two
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Have you even read the Origin EULA?

Yeah I have but apparently they've changed it quite a bit. They say they won't sell your personally identifiable information but the fact that they're datamining me on TOP of selling me a full price game is bad enough. The fact remains that they're in a position to obtain personally identifiable info and I don't trust them with it.
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Have you even read the Origin EULA?
Where do you see the parts about selling your info? because there are no such claims in that document. [/quote]

I'm gonna have to defer to previous news articles that clearly showed the EULA saying as such b/c I don't have the time or the desire to comb through 11 pages to prove my point.
Previous articles that were also posted on OCN:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/24/eas-origin-eula-proves-even-more-sinister/
http://www.gamespot.com/news/ea-changes-origin-eula-6331203
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Origin-EULA-PC-Gaming-Glorified-Spyware-DRM,13285.html
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/08/26/ea-revises-origin-eula-data-collection-is-still-in-collection/
    
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Q: How long do you think it will take until we hear about somebody who can't play ME3 because of his forum account was suspended or banned for complaints about ME3?
   
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I wouldn't mind Origin if I could actually downdoad games from it. Last time I used it, it took me 3 days to find out why Origin wouldn't download BC2 (first and last game I buy from Origin). I had this Preparing > 0.00% > Preparing bug and the game would not download. After doing some research, I found out that Origin does not like my ISP, so the program blocks itself (what?) and thus it is unable to access the download server. Long story short, I ended up using a USA VPN which would not only give me terrible download speeds from Origin itself, but also a general slowdown in anything that can use bandwidth. Not to mention that EA support does not give a flying ____ about anything.
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Your 'proof' is just the EULA, which doesn't prove your point. Just because you agree to it, doesn't mean its actually happening. Plus what you showed is just usage data, just like facebook collects. Oooh scary! Its the same crap any website you go to collects about you. In your screenshot it shows your location, better stop using Google, its collecting personal data about you. I think you guys need to boycott Google too.

I did.

I DuckDuckGo it, not Google.
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It's very obtrusive, if you can't log into Origin you can't play multiplayer regardless.
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So the majority of games have Steam as DRM on top of them as well. Your point?
Big bad EA is out to get everyone with Origin...they stole my credit card info, my favorite websites list, my car AND my girlfriend! Origin is the devil!
And yet i've never had a single issue with Origin or any of the above DRM. I love Steam as much as the biggest fanboy but the ignorance towards Origin has got to stop. If people are that worried about it, just stay off the internet altogether.

Why so defensive? I just listed facts.

Some of the games like Dragon Age 2 do not have additional DRM for the Steam version. Too bad EA pulled the game from Steam and the game was bad.
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And why do you value one faceless profit seeking corporation over another one?
I don't understand why consumers have this ridiculous loyalty towards a particular digital distribution platform instead of being intelligent consumers and getting the best deal they can.
Steam really isn't all that great of a platform. It's a resource hog and the most bloated piece of DRM ever so far created. Unscheduled downtimes are common, scheduled downtimes are even more common and are ONLY announced on the forums and also occur during peak hours for US users, offline mode is broken and requires going online rolleyes.gif, "Game is currently unavailable" error messages, connectivity issues and piss poor download speeds during sales and promotions, Steamworks multiplayer games unplayable during downtime, etc etc etc. The list goes on and on.
It doesn't even have the largest selection of games (Gamersgate does and that stuff is DRM free) so you're missing out with this loyalty.

Well first of all your list of negatives is completely wrong. Sure sometimes steam will have slower download speeds during sales, but I always get at least over a MB/s. I also don't see any reason to complain seeing as the games I'm downloading are usually 75 - 90% off.

I don't plan on buying any more games off origin besides BF3 and Crysis 2 that I already purchased. I also got Dead Space 2 for free when I pre-ordered BF3.

My problem is that Origin charges me 13% sales tax where steam does not. On top of that Origin charges me in USD so I get hit with a currency conversion charge on my credit card. It doesn't make any sense for EA to make me pay Ontatio sales tax while still charging me in USD.
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