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A setup that size you could get a Cisco ASA 5505 with a 50 user licence for $230 dollars would do the job perfectly. If you ask me software firewalls should only ever be used in conjuction with a HW firewall and never as a replacement.
Anyhow check out the Cisco ASA 5505

I'm a noob to firewalls other than running it as a software but what does it mean by 50 users?? Any good articles on hardware firewalls. Nothing really good from google
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The reference to users is pertaining to the amount of concurrent users (typically) connecting through the router. Some on the other hand refer to amount of users as total users that use the router.

Also, if you're not familiar with routing protocols or are not very savvy with networking in general then I wouldn't suggest a cisco router as it will take some educating before using them. I don't know if they have any devices that uses any GUI's or not beit a web interface or console. But I do know that Firebox's do have both a web interface and console that you can connect and configure it with.

Now these devices are rather expensive however they are very powerful. So just find a model that has the features that you need for your situation.
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The reference to users is pertaining to the amount of concurrent users (typically) connecting through the router. Some on the other hand refer to amount of users as total users that use the router.
Also, if you're not familiar with routing protocols or are not very savvy with networking in general then I wouldn't suggest a cisco router as it will take some educating before using them. I don't know if they have any devices that uses any GUI's or not beit a web interface or console. But I do know that Firebox's do have both a web interface and console that you can connect and configure it with.
Now these devices are rather expensive however they are very powerful. So just find a model that has the features that you need for your situation.

he is right Cisco routers do take some configuration that must be reserached and learnt. They a configured genrally through the CLI (a common CLI interface is known as PuTTy) but they do have a gui interface aswell known as the Cisco SDM (Security Device Manager) but the CLI is preferend means..

if the OP wants to buy a HW FW then maybe a SonicWall solution is better in his price range if buying new. You can get some great deals on refurbished FWs or even new on Ebay which can save you abit.

last use an old sustems or build a cheap rig and use pfSense thumb.gif
http://www.pfsense.org/
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What's the difference between pfsense and a hardware base?
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Im interested in this as well. I have an old system just laying around. Why does pfsense need a whole computer dedicated to it if its a software?

i posted and then googled instead of googling first, and it seems this also makes it a router? I dont really need a router as mine is pretty good now. guess ill just stick with my fw settings on my normal router. I see its an OS, didnt realize that. Thats why it needs a whole rig.
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he is right Cisco routers do take some configuration that must be reserached and learnt. They a configured genrally through the CLI (a common CLI interface is known as PuTTy) but they do have a gui interface aswell known as the Cisco SDM (Security Device Manager) but the CLI is preferend means..
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http://www.pfsense.org/

the Cisco ASA line (running 8.42 is typically configured and maintained now a days with either the Cisco ASDM (for single use), if your maintaining multiple ASA's then normally CSM (for multple firewalls typically 10+) is used. For ASDM I would recommend ASDM vs 6.4 or higher.

alternative could also look at Juniper SSG 5 or the SRX line, again and the preferred configuration and management would be the GUI. regardless

Stub you were pretty close yeah.

As for the statement earlier about routing protocols, specific routing protocols are not required to know inside and out in the context of the OP, static routes would be the simplest and easiest way for the OP to configure. Now outside of the context of the OP, if the router is the first presence into the network meaning no router before the firewall this will play heavily into the selection of the firewall. The reason I state this is the service provide if they are passing routing down to the customer will be using BGP, if this is the case then you need a firewall capable of running BGP which Cisco does not.


I scratch my head and tend to stay further and further away from this site due to some of the responses i see with people talking out their rear end and not having a clue.


EDIT

Now to address the HW vs SW firewalls.
A HW firewall has a OS dedicated around the firewall itself, meaning no other functions are being performed on this device. This means it will dedicate all of it's resources to inspect every packet that is sent through.
A SW firewall is similar to a HW firewall, it will still inspect each packet however not all the resources are dedicated to this function, also some SW firewalls will not go into the level of deep packet inspections as some HW firewalls will. This is why you will see (Build-your-own-Firewall) Untagle, pfsense and others state having it set up on it's own dedicated box.
Now the reason why these are setup on it's own box aswell as why a HW firewall in general. Lets use Cisco as an example however every HW firewall has this flaw regardless of the manufacturer. If the firewall gets flooded with packets to the point the CPU hits ~75% or higher it will either block all additional packets coming through or will forward them without inspecting, either one is a bad thing as one is a complete DoS and the other is essentially taking the firewall out of the picture leaving the network open to complete attack.


Let me explain one thing that there seems to be mass confusion on.
A HW firewall could be considered a router, however it is not. while yes it does route packets from one interface to another interface and can work with basic routing protocols such as RIP, RIPv2, OSPF, IS-IS, and EIGRP. Most firewalls do not have the support for BGP which is the routing protocol of the internet. The other thing that is critical for a router to be considered a router is the interface types is can support, meaning ISDN, T1, DS1, T3, DS3, OC1-148. Each different type of circuit fore-mentioned requires a different type of interface. A T1 normally has a specific HWIC for a T1, likewise a T3 or DS3 has it's own type of HWIC, and once you get into Optical many times these will require a HSSI connection. Additionally firewalls typically will not support MPLS, they rely on a router to translate this protocol.
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@Bratas, very interesting read and nicley written smile.gif +rep
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nice explanation. Seems like an interesting project to take up just for the heck of it on my old dual core celeron pc just sitting here. might install pfsense on it.
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anyone suggest a good firewall for a noob. I am needing one to secure my network. At this moment I will not be needing to use VPN.
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anyone suggest a good firewall for a noob. I am needing one to secure my network. At this moment I will not be needing to use VPN.

Comodo is a good software firewall
http://www.comodo.com/
http://www.comodo.com/home/internet-security/firewall.php?key5sk1=d23d43fa9c2947f8ade22445c29574b8a6ebef8b&key5sk2=2128&key5sk3=1330574168000&key5sk6=null&key5sk7=1330574168000&key5sk8=2128&key5sk9=1330574273000&key6sk1=comodo&key6sk2=FF60&key6sk3=7&key6sk4=en-us&key6sk5=TH&key6sk6=0&key6sk7=Google&key6sk9=1440900&key6sk10=true&key6sk11=5e77b7bfc9031c224ae583ff505c9cd20c5e12e1&key7sk1=2&key1sk1=ors&key1sk2=Google&key1sk3=comodo

or if you willing to spend $$$ get a nice hardware firewall such as sonicwall
i like the NSA series but the TZ is better priced
http://www.sonicwall.com/us/products/TZ_Series.html

but your router comes with an SPI firewall which should be enough..

finnally you could get or build a cheap low end rig and run it as a router/firewall using pfSense
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