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Ready to purchase a second monitor for dual set up. Really want to go with an IPS panel and both of these monitors feature that. The Asus is very budget friendly but I have heard rave reviews about the Dell UltrSharp line. A presidents day sale sure would make this alot easier lol. The Dell is $239.00 in contrast to $159.00 Thanks in advance for any assistance.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236205

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&sku=320-2807
Edited by Thingol - 2/22/12 at 11:43am
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Ultrasharp has no HDMI socket ? 4 usb ports..... should be the other way around biggrin.gif
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The Dell has a DP which is nice but no HDMI does seem odd.
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Basically the Asus uses poor quality parts, a useless stand and a panel that while reasonably accurate color-wise will likely have a bluish tinge characteristic of other cheap LED backlit panels along with atrocious backlight bleeding and a noticeable amount of ghosting/motion blur.

ausleuchtung-1.jpg

Blegh.


The Dell uses higher quality parts, comes with a HAS stand (you can adjust the height, swivel, and tilt it for use in portrait mode), has a faster panel with better color production and a more uniform backlight. And of course the Dell has a 3 year warranty with a 0 dead pixel guarantee for the full duration of the warranty.





TL;DR: I would rather buy a similarly priced TN panel than the ASUS.
    
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I have the asus vs238h-p and i love it
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Definitely the HM. It is pretty good in terms of input lag, which is about 10ms. Better color production, and a better stand.
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I would guess that backlight bleeding and other issues dealing with quality control may be (significantly?) worse on average on the VS229H-P. The Dell warranty support and very nice stand adjustments are not to be overlooked. The Ultrasharp has a very significant advantage in these areas. The U2312HM factory default colors are a little better as well. Calibrated, both are great for the typical user and may even be good enough for professional use, depending on needs. However, in almost every other respect, the VS229H-P may be equal or superior by a bit.

prad.de has a review of the VS229H and U2312HM, while tftcentral has a review of the U2312HM. Notice that you're looking at the VS229H-P. Supposedly the only difference is that the -P model has overdrive controls.
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2012/review-asus-vs229h.html
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2011/review-dell-u2312hm.html
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2312hm.htm

Actually that particular U2312HM has very very low input lag, lower than 10ms. prad.de says 1.1ms while tftcentral says 0.6ms. prad.de is generally more accurate. By comparison, many monitors are slower:
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prad.de lists a very low 0.9ms for the VS229H, so again better than most out there.

As for pixel responsiveness, I doubt the Ultrasharp is better here. prad.de measures 12.3ms for the fastest gray-to-gray transition for the U2312HM, with 14.8ms for the fastest gray-to-gray transition for the VS229H. The U2312HM has a little bit of overshoot from reasonably-aggressive overdrive. With the VS229H-P model, the amount of overdrive can be set, and I'm sure that you could get at least as good as the U2312HM by turning the "Trace Free" setting to say 40 or 60, without worse reverse-ghosting artifacts. Look at the U2312HM and VS229H behaviors here:
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U2312HM on left; VS229H (no overdrive controls; VS229H-P has overdrive controls) on right
The 12.3 ms is despite the fact that the U2312HM overshoots like that.

The calibrated and uncalibrated contrast ratios on the VS229H are superior. The U2312HM is below many other alternative IPS panels in terms of contrast ratio, while the VS229H is above average. The difference is not huge though.

One significant difference is that the minimum brightness for the U2312HM is something like 115 cd / m^2, which IMHO is a little too bright for comfortable use in darkened or dim lighting. In fact it's borderline around what you might want in normal lighting. This could be a problem for some people. VS229H-P goes down to around 50 cd / m^2.
Edited by mikeaj - 2/19/12 at 10:54pm
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Edited by mikeaj - 2/19/12 at 10:56pm
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Originally Posted by nathris View Post

Basically the Asus uses poor quality parts, a useless stand and a panel that while reasonably accurate color-wise will likely have a bluish tinge characteristic of other cheap LED backlit panels along with atrocious backlight bleeding and a noticeable amount of ghosting/motion blur.
ausleuchtung-1.jpg
Blegh.
The Dell uses higher quality parts, comes with a HAS stand (you can adjust the height, swivel, and tilt it for use in portrait mode), has a faster panel with better color production and a more uniform backlight. And of course the Dell has a 3 year warranty with a 0 dead pixel guarantee for the full duration of the warranty.
TL;DR: I would rather buy a similarly priced TN panel than the ASUS.

That is not an accurate representation of the Asus monitor at all. Whoever posted that had a defective display. My backlight on both of my VS248H-P monitors is very uniform and I see no significant bleed anywhere. Unless the VS229H-P is significantly different from the VS248H-P then that is not what the backlighting should look like. Also the statement of there being a noticeable amount of ghosting/motion blur is false. Simply turning down the trace free slightly gets rid of any ghosting issues. I am not trying to say the Asus monitor is better because I do not know anything about the Dell monitor, but at least give the guy accurate information for making his decision.

Also to the guy saying Dell has great support, Asus monitors carry a 3 year warranty as well as Free 2-Way shipping. So Asus has an excellent warranty as well. As far as the comparison of the two panels go I have never seen the Dell monitor in question, so I can't comment on that.
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Asus doesn't do dead pixel replacement etc. so easily like you can get from a Dell Ultrasharp. The general warranty support may be the same number of years, but don't expect to necessarily get the same type of service.

Also, just because your monitor doesn't have worse-than-typical backlight bleeding, doesn't mean that the average sample may not be worse. There's variation, as you've seen for yourself. For that matter, the above picture is of limited use without context because we don't know the conditions (shutter time, for example) of how the photograph was taken. You can clearly see relative issues but not so much the magnitude of the problem. Anyway, the differences in the edges don't inspire confidence, but it's definitely not conclusive one way or another.

Furthermore, any type of assertion about ghosting based on a TN panel VS248H-P is not very useful when we're talking about the e-IPS panel VS229H-P. Why bring it up?

All of these kinds of issues are things that some people may not notice, or may prioritize differently than others. e.g. How often does one stare at a completely black screen or a screen that's black or close to black around the edges? Surely nobody looks at a completely black screen all the time, but some may view dark images more than others, or for some other reason care more about backlight bleeding. That's why we're highlighting any relevant key differentiating details.
Edited by mikeaj - 2/19/12 at 11:23pm
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