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Absolutely. I would like to learn on the camera I plan on using for years and years to come. Like I said before, when I was originally getting into it for the first time, I was fooled by my employer thinking I would have more time. But now with my new job, I have the time, and even more so, the money. And for the entire year of 2012, I would like to spend it with photography.
Also, I just looked at the 800D, and for the price I'm a bit impressed. Like I said, I'm not particular to a brand. And when I said weather proof, I wasn't planning on sinking it in weather or anything. It would be cool though to use it in the rain or snow.

judging by your question regarding EF vs EF-S i think you still have plenty to learn on that t3i.

why dont you buy some nicer glass with the money you are planning to dump into a body and shoot. i can guarantee you that a nice 24-70 or 70-200 will change your mind about that t3i.
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The things you listed are pretty steep. I think only full sized pro DSLRs can cover those. That would mean D4 or 1Dx which both of them aren't even out yet. If those are too expensive, a 7D or D7000 would meet your needs too.
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This is complete dumb. Buy a Pentax 67II, 45mm f/4, 75mm f/2.8, 90mm f/2.8 LS, 105mm f/2.4, 165mm f/2.8, 165mm f/4 LS, and 300mm f/4. This will exceed anything digital for I'd say about 10 years. Or some Leica M6s with ASPH glass.

Also you aren't even going to use any of this. Trust me dude. I've gone through 60 grand of gear.
post #14 of 41
Although crudely put, I agree with Dudeman. There's no reason to sink $6000+ into the professional grade body when current offerings can be used for years to come at a fraction of the cost, unless you are certain you will be using the gear on a professional basis.

I dont get where this idea of 'if I dont buy the latest and greatest, whatever I have will be inadequate' comes from with camera gear, but it really needs to be quashed. You dont need to spend $6000 to have a quality camera on your hands; you can participate in the Canon Loyalty Program, send in a broken point and shoot and get a 7D for about $1100. This should be plenty of camera for most people, and will allow you to use both EF and EF-S lenses. While the body is a couple of years old, it's still arguably one of the strongest crop body cameras that Canon makes outside of the 1D series, and most of its limitations on noise handling, etc, can be rectified by capturing an ideal exposure.

Yeah, I know, I'm not the best example of this (I only minimally shoot paid jobs, etc) but I've also been shooting off and on for 10+ years, and photography is one of my primary hobbies (having stepped away from music). Just because you have the money to sink into it doesn't mean you should.

As others have indicated, get a decent quality body and invest in a couple of good quality lenses to start out (they dont even need to be L glass, some of the non-L lenses currently offered provide fantastic image quality at sometimes less than half the price). Learn with what you have, and then re-evaluate in a year or so if you want to pick up newer gear, etc. When you do this, ask yourself if not having a certain lens is holding you back (or if you feel that having a certain lens would help you out a great deal in the way that you shoot). That way, if you decide that it's too much of a pain to lug around a DSLR to everything you go to, then you're less invested and it's usually easier to sell less gear (especially not as expensive gear) than it is to sell high end gear (and lots of it). On top of that though, new offerings may affect a price change on the lenses you become interested in (either by way of people selling the old version for a loss to have funds to pick up the newer version, etc).

To add a little perspective -- let's say you wanted to play golf, and you're getting into it now. Are you going to go out and buy top of the line iron sets with a personalized driver, putter, shoes, etc, or are you going to pick up an entry level set for about 1/3 of the price but that's made by the same quality manufacturer? How about if you want to learn guitar, are you going to run out and spend $3500 on a Gibson hollow body guitar, or are you ok with an Epiphone Les Paul at about 15% of the cost? Yeah, arguably, the more expensive guitar is going to be better built, have a richer, deeper tone, etc, but it's still going to sound like crap until you learn, practice and master it. A higher price tag doesn't automatically make you sound like BB King; buying a 1Dx isn't going to turn you into Ansel Adams or Bob Martin..

(Just a note - I'm not trying to say 'zomg what are you talking about ur ridiculous' or say that it's merely the opinion of the OP; it's more of a discussion on how people fall into that trap. Not meant to attack obviously, just trying to help.)
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If you're not being paid to shoot, why are you even considering speding so much money on gear? Personally, I think it's a bit ridiculous.
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I'm looking for a camera that is PHENOMENAL in low light situations.
I'm also looking to record fast pace action(sports).
Spectacular still images, and breath taking video(1080, 30fps).
Decent sound, doesn't have to be surround sound quality.
As easy as possible.
I want as few lenses as possible, but would like all my bases covered.
Weatherproof and durability. Not NECESSARY. But preferred.

that's easy; get Eos 1Dx!!
naah that would be easy if you have the budget of course,
i would choose 7D if budget is in restriction.

sorry for my bad english
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If you're not being paid to shoot, why are you even considering speding so much money on gear? Personally, I think it's a bit ridiculous.

damn this guy opinions make sense!
post #17 of 41
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I'm looking for a camera that is PHENOMENAL in low light situations.
I'm also looking to record fast pace action(sports).
Spectacular still images, and breath taking video(1080, 30fps).
Decent sound, doesn't have to be surround sound quality.
As easy as possible.
I want as few lenses as possible, but would like all my bases covered.
Weatherproof and durability. Not NECESSARY. But preferred.
.

I think we all just got trolled tbh.
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400+ posts, 3+ years. Yeah, troll for sure. rolleyes.gif

Sometimes people simply don't know alot about a topic. That's part of the reason why they come to forums like ours and, you know, ask questions..
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You might as well include some post processing software in that, if you haven't already. Photoshop CS5 could cost you 700,
I think 7D will be a good buy for you.

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To add a little perspective -- let's say you wanted to play golf, and you're getting into it now. Are you going to go out and buy top of the line iron sets with a personalized driver, putter, shoes, etc, or are you going to pick up an entry level set for about 1/3 of the price but that's made by the same quality manufacturer? How about if you want to learn guitar, are you going to run out and spend $3500 on a Gibson hollow body guitar, or are you ok with an Epiphone Les Paul at about 15% of the cost? Yeah, arguably, the more expensive guitar is going to be better built, have a richer, deeper tone, etc, but it's still going to sound like crap until you learn, practice and master it. A higher price tag doesn't automatically make you sound like BB King; buying a 1Dx isn't going to turn you into Ansel Adams or Bob Martin..
(Just a note - I'm not trying to say 'zomg what are you talking about ur ridiculous' or say that it's merely the opinion of the OP; it's more of a discussion on how people fall into that trap. Not meant to attack obviously, just trying to help.)

Of course if I had the money and had saved enough for the future, I'd buy the best golf set I could. Sure a higher price does not always mean a better product and no way would it enhance your skills but why not go for it if you have the money.
And it does not have to do with whether he is being paid for it or not. I mean no one paid me to SLI.
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post #20 of 41
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You might as well include some post processing software in that, if you haven't already. Photoshop CS5 could cost you 700,
I think 7D will be a good buy for you.

Of course if I had the money and had saved enough for the future, I'd buy the best golf set I could. Sure a higher price does not always mean a better product and no way would it enhance your skills but why not go for it if you have the money.
And it does not have to do with whether he is being paid for it or not. I mean no one paid me to SLI.

1stly, given the list of what the OP was looking for, the 7D can easily be argued against on a couple of the desired points (and strongly, I might add). First, if you're not taking strong exposures, the noise handling on the 7D can easily be supbar to a proper image. Even when it's on, the low light handling isn't stellar; it's not bottom of the barrel by any means, but it requires decent skill to get consistent results in non-optimal lighting. Second, the focus system (and the camera in general) have much more of a learning curve than any of the other offerings (except maybe the 1D lines) to get good with, mostly because of a very sophisticated and not 'set it and forget it' focusing system.

Secondly, 'why not go for it if you have the money'? Because the money spent on a $6000 body could be easily be spent on a lower priced body, a couple of really nice lenses, and money to travel and get admittance to fun things / places to shoot. Why spend $3000 on golf clubs when you can spend $500 and fly to FL and play golf during the winter and still have money left afterwards? I'm not the only person here that agrees with it; just because you have the money doesn't mean you should blow it on the absolute latest and greatest, until you've at least had some decent exposure to other gear, have learned the ropes and recognize that you're going to continue using the gear, and that purchasing other gear will help you do things that you previously could not (or offers such upgrades in quality that the purchaser feels that it's worth it). That way, in six months we don't have someone sitting here in the F/S section saying 'zomg why is nobody buying my barely used Canon 1Dx for $50 off of retail?!'.
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