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mm, this is reminding me to go look back into sabayon, haven't seen it since 2/3, idk if this is still the focus, but it used to be all about how beryl/compiz-fusion were built in, and worked well in there, amongst other things.
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Arch is crap compared to Gentoo, though you have to build pure gentoo from source. I like sabayon as it is kind of a middle man with full gentoo portage support. So while sabayon may not work with gentoo it patches/configures portage ebuilds properly to work on your system as far as I can tell indefinately? They say you can use either package manager, just don't use both. I'm going pure portage now that I have the hang of it.

Sounds good. I've used so many distros it's alarming. The only one's I haven't tried are those based on Gentoo and Gentoo itself. I've even used FreeBSD and DragonflyBSD. I'll try out Gentoo and see what it's about. smile.gif Though I am looking for a UEFI + Grub2 + BTRFS root solution. OR maybe UEFI + Grub2 + EXT4 with ecryptfs on /home/. Hmmm decisions, decisions.
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I never gave Sabayon a fair chance since their little hiccup with the busted live/installer iso a few years ago. I do have to say it sounds tempting as an "quick" start way of enjoying some of Gentoo's goods.

So which package manager did you like more Mushroomboy? Or did you go straight into portage?
     
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The stuff you described is really all distro agnostic... those are upstream packages - not something one flavor of the packaging will or will not provide. The main difference with gentoo is that YOU have to do that.... You have to read the guides, you have to read the man pages, and you have to actually develop an UNDERSTANDING of the tools that you are using and why they work the way that they do. It's not just type off random commands or mouse clicks and count on some package maintainer to do everything for you. And to me, that is very beneficial to the individual (although ... it is often difficult for the average person to realize that, and it may not always be "results oriented" .. those types should just stick to a certain other operating system).

Oh and brtfs on / would be a huge waste of time (unless it's a test/scratch box). I can tell you from past experience that putting important data on an unstable file system is not the greatest idea and will be very regrettable. rolleyes.gif
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I never gave Sabayon a fair chance since their little hiccup with the busted live/installer iso a few years ago. I do have to say it sounds tempting as an "quick" start way of enjoying some of Gentoo's goods.
So which package manager did you like more Mushroomboy? Or did you go straight into portage?

I tried entropy/equo and the sulfur GUI but started using portage and potato (GUI). I really like how it does dependencies as part of the system. I don't like how AUR does sources or dependencies.... This is much more like PPAs of source, you have multiple repositories (overlays) that you pull from.
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i bet your sata controller is not set to AHCI mode in the bios. quite a few of us have seen that one before.. somewhere around 2.6.38 they just bagged or otherwise screwed up support for sata that is not ahci. [maybe not, but that's at least what it seems]

actually quite honestly i dont have the ahci option in my bios ive searched under everything and still have yet to find it
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glad to see it's about time you realized that. i've been ranting for years about what you all are missing out on. The fact is, once you know what you are doing, you CANNOT BEAT a nice gentoo install, period. That isn't even open for debate. tongue.gif portage is just too damn smart vs all those other package managers.
never heard of this 'sayabaon' or whatever, but if it's just another gentoo fork like that exherbo project, you're mostly wasting your time since the gentoo project has way more developers, and not to mention _the best community out there. Eventually it will probably dry up and die, and any of the good ideas / code will likely find their way into gentoo overlays or even the portage tree

Sayabaon has been around for the best part of a decade. I think it's already proven itself not to be yet another throwaway fork.
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The stuff you described is really all distro agnostic... those are upstream packages - not something one flavor of the packaging will or will not provide. The main difference with gentoo is that YOU have to do that.... You have to read the guides, you have to read the man pages, and you have to actually develop an UNDERSTANDING of the tools that you are using and why they work the way that they do. It's not just type off random commands or mouse clicks and count on some package maintainer to do everything for you. And to me, that is very beneficial to the individual (although ... it is often difficult for the average person to realize that, and it may not always be "results oriented" .. those types should just stick to a certain other operating system).
Oh and brtfs on / would be a huge waste of time (unless it's a test/scratch box). I can tell you from past experience that putting important data on an unstable file system is not the greatest idea and will be very regrettable. rolleyes.gif

ZFS is better than BtrFS anyway

/me is a ZFS fanboy redface.gif
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ZFS is better than BtrFS anyway
/me is a ZFS fanboy redface.gif

Yeah, I went with EXT4. They need feature parity between BTRFS and ZFS. I love ZFS.


As an aside, just installed Gentoo yesterday, gotta chroot into it since I messed up grub. Thought I'd be smart and do root=LABEL=root lol, didn't work (even though my root filesystem has the label root). I guess I'll have to use the UUID, though labels are so much cleaner. biggrin.gif
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Yeah, I went with EXT4. They need feature parity between BTRFS and ZFS. I love ZFS.
As an aside, just installed Gentoo yesterday, gotta chroot into it since I messed up grub. Thought I'd be smart and do root=LABEL=root lol, didn't work (even though my root filesystem has the label root). I guess I'll have to use the UUID, though labels are so much cleaner. biggrin.gif

Funny enough I needed to chroot into my laptop yesterday after i broke grub
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