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I just disagree with using different tests in this case,
focus on the GT 240, if you go with Anand numbers, and compare relatively to the HD 3000 on the other test, the GT 240 from expreview would be slower than the GT220 on Anand's graphic, which is impossible, even if you are comparing GT 240 ddr3 vs ddr5,
so... they are probably testing different scenes on the game with different settings, and maybe Intel have worked on their drivers since (as far as I know a new one was released at a later date than the Anand test and it brings some nice gains in SC2), but obviously AMD have a much faster GPU, ,
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Nonsense. Let's just list off the numbers for SC II, Expreview. I've added percentage scores, with 100% being the baseline, HD 3000 performance:

2500k(HD 3000): 22.5FPS (100%)
3570k(HD 4000): 29.3FPS (130.22%)
GT 240: 63.2 (280.88%)

From Anand:
2500k( HD 3000): 36 (100%)
6550D: 68.1 (189%)
GT 240: 118.1 (328%)

*Extrapolated from Expreview: HD 4000: 46.88FPS

If we even adjust the HD 3000 scores from Anand, such that the GT 240 with 118.1 FPS is 280.88% faster than HD 3000, that would put the HD 3000 at 42.06FPS. If we similarly extrapolated the HD 4000 graphics with huge margin in favor of HD4k, we get estimated performance from 46.88FPS to 54.93FPS. We still see that HD 4000 is estimated to be a little slower in SC II, than Llano. It's pretty much a given Trinity graphics will be better, and at worst, Llano graphics are roughly the same, with huge margin of error in favor of Intel.

Of course the data isn't 100% accurate, but I consider Anandtech to be reliable. However, it's well-documented that the 6550D is much faster than HD 3000, I'd estimate by 60% without having the aggregate difference from all benches.
 
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Nonsense. Let's just list off the numbers for SC II, Expreview. I've added percentage scores, with 100% being the baseline, HD 3000 performance:
2500k(HD 3000): 22.5FPS (100%)
3570k(HD 4000): 29.3FPS (130.22%)
GT 240: 63.2 (280.88%)
From Anand:
2500k( HD 3000): 36 (100%)
6550D: 68.1 (189%)
GT 240: 118.1 (328%)
*Extrapolated from Expreview: HD 4000: 46.88FPS
If we even adjust the HD 3000 scores from Anand, such that the GT 240 with 118.1 FPS is 280.88% faster than HD 3000, that would put the HD 3000 at 42.06FPS. If we similarly extrapolated the HD 4000 graphics with huge margin in favor of HD4k, we get estimated performance from 46.88FPS to 54.93FPS. We still see that HD 4000 is estimated to be a little slower in SC II, than Llano. It's pretty much a given Trinity graphics will be better, and at worst, Llano graphics are roughly the same, with huge margin of error in favor of Intel.
Of course the data isn't 100% accurate, but I consider Anandtech to be reliable. However, it's well-documented that the 6550D is much faster than HD 3000, I'd estimate by 60% without having the aggregate difference from all benches.

you are right, I got the difference wrong, but...
what is nonsense? it just shows the level of inaccuracy of comparing results from different tests.... and when comparing to llano we need to take in account the slower CPU, which in many cases could affect it negatively (more importantly on the mobile CPUs),

it seems logical that llano should be faster in this game, although we will need to wait for the final version of the Intel CPU and drivers, also in the mobile space things can get more interesting, since mobile llano is much lower clocked (400 vs 600), but then, Trinity should fix that... so realistically you could only expect the HD4000 to be competitive against the lower end trinity parts, but still a good gain from Intel compared to their older IGP,






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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a8-3500m-llano-apu,2959-10.html
when you start using the 400MHz llano and the lower clocked CPUs things can get a lot worse in games like SC2,
also this is on high details,
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It's so cheap and when they make an architecture it would be more costy to do an independant one and adapt all the machinery (what ever it is) just to accomodate enthusiast who represent a fraction of the market (thus greatly increasing the operation cost). Plus, you already pay for an IGP even if you don't have an IGP simply in R&D!

I think he's meaning putting the high-end IGP pretty much only in the top of the line, meant for OCer chips.
    
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this is a big step. Now intel IGPs can basically run console ports at settings equal to console settings with at least 30FPS. To me thats a big step.

I totally agree. HD5000 will be even more crazy. I am also quite blown away by those 2 youtube videos. I bought a GTX560 but might have ran Mass Effect 1 and 2 fine with my HD3000.

I also don't get the "we pay for the iGPU" replies. If I am correct the i5-2550k without iGPU will be more expensive :/
 
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I totally agree. HD5000 will be even more crazy. I am also quite blown away by those 2 youtube videos. I bought a GTX560 but might have ran Mass Effect 1 and 2 fine with my HD3000.
I also don't get the "we pay for the iGPU" replies. If I am correct the i5-2550k without iGPU will be more expensive :/

The iGPU is still on die, so you effectively pay for it anyway...I figure use it with QuickSync and stop complaining.
    
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Are some of you guys seriously comparing the HD 4000 with the Llano iGPU? doh.gif

In Vantage on performance preset my A8-3850 @ stock speeds scores ~4600 just like the i5-3570k with the GT 240... overclocked though it blows away the GT 240 scoring 5582 points in 3DMark Vantage proof.gif

This is using the iGPU only. In Dual Graphics mode it scores almost double.

From the games in that table I only have DiRT 3 so here are some results running the ingame benchmark:

@ stock speeds

1280x720 medium preset no AA = 58.65
1280x720 medium preset 4x AA = 50.78
1920x1080 medium preset no AA = 34.09

OC @ 3500 MHz (iGPU @ 840 MHz)

1280x720 medium preset no AA = 72.36
1280x720 medium preset 4x AA = 60.16
1920x1080 medium preset no AA = 41.67

In Dual Graphics mode it runs 1920x1080 high preset 4x AA @ ~60 fps

I don't know if they used any AA in that benchmark (I'm pretty sure they didn't), but there is a clear winner here ether way wink.gif
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im switching to intel lol
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I wonder what the laptop equivilent will put out? If its anything close to these numbers it will be a great upgrade for anyone with a gen 2 i5 without a dedicated card and looking for better gaming performance.
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I wonder what the laptop equivilent will put out? If its anything close to these numbers it will be a great upgrade for anyone with a gen 2 i5 without a dedicated card and looking for better gaming performance.

this is a very interesting possibility, IF ivy bridge mobile is compatible with the sandy bridge notebooks with a new bios, and if you are lucky enough to have the new bios, it would be a great upgrade, not only gaining battery life but also an improved GPU,
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The iGPU is still on die, so you effectively pay for it anyway...I figure use it with QuickSync and stop complaining.

You do not actually believe Intel would lower the price if they didn't put the iGPU in do you?
 
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