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WHS 2011 is based off Server 08/R2. Coming from someone who works on every version of Windows Server between 2000 and 08R2 at work and at home, WHS is THE best choice for home use... unless you have 08R2 already.

I don't want to pay for WHS 2011 , while having a 2008 R2 already (which is perfect for what I'm aiming for ATM) rolleyes.gif
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Your ISP will give you a static IP, you just need to switch to a business line.

My ISP doesn't give business lines to individuals .. Told you , they SUCK !! mad.gif I explained that I'll pay for it , but they said : "Its against our policy , bla bla bla" ..
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and you can probably get by with just a Pentium G620, that way you still have an 1155 board which is somewhat future proof.

I just visited Intel's Ark website .. They have Pentiums for 1155 ?! O_o I really need to "update" myself , I've been missing alot .. rolleyes.gif
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Also in regards to RAID setups, I should have been a little clearer with how I have mine. I don't have a "true RAID 1". WHS 2011 and I believe Windows 7 has built-in software drive mirroring in the Disk Management console, all you need is two drives the same size. Windows takes care of it all for you and there is no performance loss at all from what I've seen. No need for RAID cards, no need for BIOS setup, no extra drivers.

Now I understand you .. If I have a 4 TB , I can mirror it to another 4 TB (Doesn't have to be the same model or vendor , as long as its of the same size) using Disk Managment ... Maybe I'll put my x3 1 TB greens into this ^_^
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the tool allows you to create a boot disc that will restore your server form the back-up. So I have my server back-up to an USB external 500 GB HDD, so if anything happened to the boot drive itself, I wouldn't lose any data, and I just swap in a new small HDD (I use old laptop HDD's) and run the boot disc.

Isn't that the same thing Norton Ghost does ? (I used it to backup my OS disk into bootable USB) ..
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- WHS 2011 has built-in on-the-fly transcoding for the remote web access
- WHS 2011 has a remote web access for uploading and downloading files (no need for Dropbox, FTP, etc.)

Now these two features may change my mind ... So I can stream my music without the need of any 3rd party scripts ?
And also upload ~ download my files without the need of FTP or Apache ?
That would be great !
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The only downfall I found in WHS 2011 is lack of Windows Media Center so that you can have it running 24/7 and then add extenders. Instead my HTPC needs to stay on 24/7 so my room mates Xbox 360 can run as an extender.

Although I've been told that you can just run Windows 7 in a VM on WHS2011 and use that as a maine Windows Media Center computer. But then you need a Windows 7 license for that.

I will not use it as an HTPC at all ... I'll stream my audio files to my phone or other portable devices only
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I run a Win7 VM for that at home xD

I won't use it as a daily PC ... so no need for VMs (ATM) .. lol

Thank you all ! I just learned alot of things .. XD
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and you can probably get by with just a Pentium G620, that way you still have an 1155 board which is somewhat future proof.

I just visited Intel's Ark website .. They have Pentiums for 1155 ?! O_o I really need to "update" myself , I've been missing alot .. rolleyes.gif

Yep, not sure why, but they decided to keep the Pentium name going, and it's more then enough for home server needs. As I previously stated, an Athlon II X3 can handle WHS 2011.

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Also in regards to RAID setups, I should have been a little clearer with how I have mine. I don't have a "true RAID 1". WHS 2011 and I believe Windows 7 has built-in software drive mirroring in the Disk Management console, all you need is two drives the same size. Windows takes care of it all for you and there is no performance loss at all from what I've seen. No need for RAID cards, no need for BIOS setup, no extra drivers.

Now I understand you .. If I have a 4 TB , I can mirror it to another 4 TB (Doesn't have to be the same model or vendor , as long as its of the same size) using Disk Managment ... Maybe I'll put my x3 1 TB greens into this ^_^

I have no idea if it supports 3 TB drives or larger, I'm sure it does though. And the only requirement as far as I know is that the drive you want to use as a mirror is the same size or bigger then the original drive.

In my case, the 1 TB drive I had files on was about 100 MB bigger then the second drive, so I just used WHS 2011 built-in "Shrink Volume" to shrink it a couple hundred MBs, then right-click on the partition and select "Mirror Volume" then you select the empty drive you want to use.

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the tool allows you to create a boot disc that will restore your server form the back-up. So I have my server back-up to an USB external 500 GB HDD, so if anything happened to the boot drive itself, I wouldn't lose any data, and I just swap in a new small HDD (I use old laptop HDD's) and run the boot disc.

Isn't that the same thing Norton Ghost does ? (I used it to backup my OS disk into bootable USB) ..

Norton Ghost does do this, but you would have to run Ghost every night, you can set the server back-up to run twice a day, and it does a full back-up once, then each back-up after that is only files that have changed so they don't take long. This way your back-up is always less then 12 hours old.

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- WHS 2011 has built-in on-the-fly transcoding for the remote web access
- WHS 2011 has a remote web access for uploading and downloading files (no need for Dropbox, FTP, etc.)

Now these two features may change my mind ... So I can stream my music without the need of any 3rd party scripts ?
And also upload ~ download my files without the need of FTP or Apache ?
That would be great !

You can stream music and videos without any third party anything. I can set the video streaming quality to "Low" on my WHS 2011 box which is connected to a 75 KB/s upload connection and stream all my shows to my computer work. Of course they are lower quality, I still can enjoy them at work, and music works effortlessly in the same way.

And the file upload/download interface is completely web-based form within the browser. You can even move files around on the server if you want. I have uTorrent set up to automatically start torrents that are dropped in a specific folder so I can just upload the .torrent file, it will automatically start.

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The only downfall I found in WHS 2011 is lack of Windows Media Center so that you can have it running 24/7 and then add extenders. Instead my HTPC needs to stay on 24/7 so my room mates Xbox 360 can run as an extender.

Although I've been told that you can just run Windows 7 in a VM on WHS2011 and use that as a maine Windows Media Center computer. But then you need a Windows 7 license for that.

I will not use it as an HTPC at all ... I'll stream my audio files to my phone or other portable devices only

The remote web access is nice because it uses Silverlight to play audio, and video on any computer with internet access. I'm not sure about apps for Android or iOS, but I know for Windows Phone, there is a full server monitoring app that also supports playing all your media back from WHS 2011.

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I run a Win7 VM for that at home xD

I won't use it as a daily PC ... so no need for VMs (ATM) .. lol

Thank you all ! I just learned alot of things .. XD[/B]

The point of the VM of Windows 7 was for Windows Media Center capabilities so you can use an Xbox 360 or similar device as an extender to access all your content without having to build an HTPC.
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Norton Ghost does do this, but you would have to run Ghost every night

I'm using NG 15 , and I believe there is an automatic backup function on regular basis .
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You can stream music and videos without any third party anything. I can set the video streaming quality to "Low" on my WHS 2011 box which is connected to a 75 KB/s upload connection and stream all my shows to my computer work. Of course they are lower quality, I still can enjoy them at work, and music works effortlessly in the same way.

And the file upload/download interface is completely web-based form within the browser. You can even move files around on the server if you want. I have uTorrent set up to automatically start torrents that are dropped in a specific folder so I can just upload the .torrent file, it will automatically start.

I gave it a thought ... but I find "shared folders" a bit annoying ... I just want to access HDDs the way they are , I don't want to index them into folders , and I want to map them through network the way they are .. can I do that ?
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The remote web access is nice because it uses Silverlight to play audio, and video on any computer with internet access.

If that is the case , then it means *ANY* browser with silverlight plugin will do just fine , right ?

I'm interested in FreeNAS too , its super lightweight ... but would I be able to map my HDDs throught it to my main PC ? Will Apache work on it ?
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Norton Ghost does do this, but you would have to run Ghost every night

I'm using NG 15 , and I believe there is an automatic backup function on regular basis .

That works then.

Do you have any other computers in the home that need backing up?

WHS 2011 supports backing them all up automatically as well.

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You can stream music and videos without any third party anything. I can set the video streaming quality to "Low" on my WHS 2011 box which is connected to a 75 KB/s upload connection and stream all my shows to my computer work. Of course they are lower quality, I still can enjoy them at work, and music works effortlessly in the same way.

And the file upload/download interface is completely web-based form within the browser. You can even move files around on the server if you want. I have uTorrent set up to automatically start torrents that are dropped in a specific folder so I can just upload the .torrent file, it will automatically start.

I gave it a thought ... but I find "shared folders" a bit annoying ... I just want to access HDDs the way they are , I don't want to index them into folders , and I want to map them through network the way they are .. can I do that ?

You can't share an entire hard drive over the network. How WHS 2011 handles shared folders is:
- You hit "Add a shared folder" on the dashboard interface
- You select a name and description
- You select a drive to put it on
- You select permissions for the folder (Read-only, Full Access, Specific access)
- A folder gets created (AKA "D:/ServerFolders/Pictures")

You can then modify permissions after on a per-user basis.

You can still go on any other machine with access to the shared folder and map it as a network drive. For example, my server is called "CHAR" and I have "//CHAR/Movies" networked mapped to "M:" on all my computers to make it easy to write too.

If you wanted to just shared an entire drive, you could just make a shared called "Shared_" on each drive and just have all your files stored in there.

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The remote web access is nice because it uses Silverlight to play audio, and video on any computer with internet access.

If that is the case , then it means *ANY* browser with silverlight plugin will do just fine , right ?

I'm interested in FreeNAS too , its super lightweight ... but would I be able to map my HDDs throught it to my main PC ? Will Apache work on it ?

I've never used FreeNAS before so I'm not sure what it supports for sharing and what file system it uses.

As for Apache, It's generally recommended to run Apache or and web server from within a VM. Personally I have VirtualBox with an Ubuntu 11.10 install running Apache2, FTP, etc.
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From reading through this thread, it seems like you have your mind pretty much made up. I've seen a lot of good feedback in this thread, but you insist that what you are buying is what you need. My questions are, why keep this thread going, and do you realize you are writing in all bold letters? The only thing worse is writing in all caps.
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From reading through this thread, it seems like you have your mind pretty much made up. I've seen a lot of good feedback in this thread, but you insist that what you are buying is what you need. My questions are, why keep this thread going, and do you realize you are writing in all bold letters? The only thing worse is writing in all caps.

I think it's beneficial to keep arguing as many points as he is, it will help other users make a informed decision as well.

@Bold Lettering, he could be using Size=0 and Italics

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If you wanted to just shared an entire drive, you could just make a shared called "Shared_" on each drive and just have all your files stored in there.

umm ... so *Anything* I put inside a "Shared_" folder will automatically be availabe throughout the network .. then I map that folder into a network drive on my main rig ... pretty easy . biggrin.gif
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I've never used FreeNAS before so I'm not sure what it supports for sharing and what file system it uses.

As for Apache, It's generally recommended to run Apache or and web server from within a VM. Personally I have VirtualBox with an Ubuntu 11.10 install running Apache2, FTP, etc.

I guess , I would start with WHS 2011 then .. And use its Remote Web Access function then , as I can see that it updates the IP automatically in case it got changed . thumb.gif

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From reading through this thread, it seems like you have your mind pretty much made up. I've seen a lot of good feedback in this thread, but you insist that what you are buying is what you need. My questions are, why keep this thread going, and do you realize you are writing in all bold letters? The only thing worse is writing in all caps.

lol ... No , I didn't make up my mind yet .. neither on the Hardware side , nor on the Software side. rolleyes.gif

And I believe I stated that bold letters are easier for me to read , as my eyes aren't the best in town .. XD

But I've got alot of info to start going .. smile.gif
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I would recomend a low power build for a 24/7 server. I have a supermicro atom 330 server that I got from work for free biggrin.gif Pulls 45watts from the wall and never once ran into performance problems.

make sure you get a PS with a good efficiency rating, like Gold. Also keep the wattage down on the power supply. don't get a 500 watt if your only gonna pull 80watts from it. Your gonna be wasting more power. For example, put a 500 watt PS on my atom 330 setup and it will probably draw 40-50 extra watts because of the inefficiency. try to keep the load in the 60-80% rage of the PS wattage. So something like a high quality 175-250 watt would be nice depending on your hardware.

Just to note a PC using a 100watts 24/7 for an entire year will use $131 (I used .15 cents per KWH)
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I would recomend a low power build for a 24/7 server. I have a supermicro atom 330 server that I got from work for free biggrin.gif Pulls 45watts from the wall and never once ran into performance problems.

make sure you get a PS with a good efficiency rating, like Gold. Also keep the wattage down on the power supply. don't get a 500 watt if your only gonna pull 80watts from it. Your gonna be wasting more power. For example, put a 500 watt PS on my atom 330 setup and it will probably draw 40-50 extra watts because of the inefficiency. try to keep the load in the 60-80% rage of the PS wattage. So something like a high quality 175-250 watt would be nice depending on your hardware.

Just to note a PC using a 100watts 24/7 for an entire year will use $131 (I used .15 cents per KWH)

Thats why I changed my mind regarding FX-8120 CPU , and I'm looking into an 1155 platform (Pentium ~ i3) .

I'll look for a low power- Platinum ~ 300 watts for that platform . thumb.gif

Thank you guys .. OCN never let me down biggrin.gif
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