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No, I said that based on your water temp when idle. If your room temp is in 25 to 27C, the water temp should be under 30C.

I don't know about your load temp because I don't know at what clocks your cards running at & you're running multiple monitors.

Ah.. well, when idle the cpu and gpu are still working, though on lower clock speeds and voltages but they do emmit heat.
A key issue is the location of the case which is under the desk with restriced airflow. So the hot air gets circulated back in. When I game, I use a fan to remove the heat from under the desk. I will soon replace this with a vent ducket attached to the rear fan and out of the window so the room will stay cool.

GPU clock speeds are stock. I forgot the ratings for R9 290 Gigabyte Windforce OC edition. I think it's 1250/1040 (GPU clock and mem clock)
My CPU is 3770K running at 4.7Ghz @ 1.226v (if I remember correctly)
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No, I said that based on your water temp when idle. If your room temp is in 25 to 27C, the water temp should be under 30C.

I don't know about your load temp because I don't know at what clocks your cards running at & you're running multiple monitors.

Ah.. well, when idle the cpu and gpu are still working, though on lower clock speeds and voltages but they do emmit heat.
A key issue is the location of the case which is under the desk with restriced airflow. So the hot air gets circulated back in. When I game, I use a fan to remove the heat from under the desk. I will soon replace this with a vent ducket attached to the rear fan and out of the window so the room will stay cool.

GPU clock speeds are stock. I forgot the ratings for R9 290 Gigabyte Windforce OC edition. I think it's 1250/1040 (GPU clock and mem clock)
My CPU is 3770K running at 4.7Ghz @ 1.226v (if I remember correctly)
That's probably the reason. The number is meaningless then because there's external factor affecting it.. If you still trying to figure out the best fan configuration in your case, it's good idea to put your case on the desk or at least not under the desk, until you get a config that offer the best air flow for the case. BTW, when idle (with just internet browsing) my water temp is 37 - 38C & ambient is 34.9C. I have a thermometer on the wall showing 37C but the digital thermometer I put near the case is 34.9C.

In high ambient, positive pressure not always good. The difference on water temp between positive & negative pressure only a couple of degrees but the amount of heat that trapped inside the case & can't get out efficiently can reduced the cooling performance.
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So because of the restrictive location, is it recommended to flip the top rad fans to outtake?
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post #174 of 185
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So because of the restrictive location, is it recommended to flip the top rad fans to outtake?
For that, you don't need to flip the fans, just open the side panel & the air flow won't restrictive anymore. I suggested you to temporarily move the case to non-restrictive location because after you figured out which work best for your case (e.g. top in or out), when you put the case back under the desk, the effect from the restrictive location won't be so bad.
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For that, you don't need to flip the fans, just open the side panel & the air flow won't restrictive anymore. I suggested you to temporarily move the case to non-restrictive location because after you figured out which work best for your case (e.g. top in or out), when you put the case back under the desk, the effect from the restrictive location won't be so bad.

see where the case sits and why I can't move it anywhere else? smile.gif
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I'd move it right to the right of the desk. Bump the speaker over a bit and have it breath a bit more.
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For that, you don't need to flip the fans, just open the side panel & the air flow won't restrictive anymore. I suggested you to temporarily move the case to non-restrictive location because after you figured out which work best for your case (e.g. top in or out), when you put the case back under the desk, the effect from the restrictive location won't be so bad.

see where the case sits and why I can't move it anywhere else? smile.gif
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That's not bad location actually. If it's easy to do, you can try flip the fans on top radiator & see whether it make any difference or not.
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That's not bad location actually. If it's easy to do, you can try flip the fans on top radiator & see whether it make any difference or not.

but what will be the best testing approach?

Take an ambient reading next to the case.
Let it idle for an hour.
Take reading of water temp + cpu/gpu temps

Then flip the top rad fans
and repeat the process and calculating the delta in temps in relation to the ambient?


I'm reluctant to move the case elsewhere because then it becomes less accessible for water temp reading and any other tweaks.

Oh, and I'm still trying to figure out how it will be feasible to install a 240/30mm rad in the front of the case, where it already houses 2x 140mm fans out of the box. I can't find anything online that mentions this mismatch and if it requires to install additional 2x 120mm fans in pull on the 240 rad.

And to top this up, the Alphacool 240/30mm is out of stock an no one else sells it in Australia.
Edited by Gil80 - 5/21/15 at 12:01am
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That's not bad location actually. If it's easy to do, you can try flip the fans on top radiator & see whether it make any difference or not.

but what will be the best testing approach?

Take an ambient reading next to the case.
Let it idle for an hour.
Take reading of water temp + cpu/gpu temps

Then flip the top rad fans
and repeat the process and calculating the delta in temps in relation to the ambient?


I'm reluctant to move the case elsewhere because then it becomes less accessible for water temp reading and any other tweaks.

Oh, and I'm still trying to figure out how it will be feasible to install a 240/30mm rad in the front of the case, where it already houses 2x 140mm fans out of the box. I can't find anything online that mentions this mismatch and if it requires to install additional 2x 120mm fans in pull on the 240 rad.

And to top this up, the Alphacool 240/30mm is out of stock an no one else sells it in Australia.
15 minutes should be enough. Take ambient reading, then play a game for an hour & record water temp. Record cpu & gpu temps too. Calculate delta temps.

Flip the fans & repeat the process.

Make sure to put the side panel on when doing the testing.
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Ok was just told by EK that they will ship me the ZMT tubing. This suppose to be without leeching issues (wish it was transparent).

I'll do the test soon and report back.
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