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We've already established that 3gb does not provide a performance increase unless you are doing 3d surround resolutions.

Further, HardOCP did benchmark an oc 7970 to an oc 580.

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AS I SAID 3gb doesn't help unless you're doing 3d surround resolutions, I think I mentioned it to you before, you ignored it then and will ignore it now thumb.gif
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Well you two can go worry about Hardocp's bias I'll get back to the real world. 10%. That's was my only point. Just flipping thru the Tom's review as you made me curious and it's pretty much the same results not quite as wide a gulf but the review was in December when the drivers were really bad. Shoot that review has the 7970 beating the 590 in a couple games.
But they are probabally biased to.
Edit: When did I refer to you as bro? lol. I specifically said in this thread going from a 580 to a 7970 would not be a wise choice as there is not a huge gulf between the two. Only thing I said was that it was larger then 10% which it obviously is. What are you even arguing?

Well here is what TPU has for
1920x1080:
700

2560x1600
700

Both of which are in relation to 1.5GB 580s. Now, that doesn't look like much, but the 1600 res is still impressive at 16%. That is not easy to push. Now all we said was that a 580 can make up that performance gap quite a bit with a 20~30% overclocks that they are capable. You also can remove the memory advantage by comparing to a 3GB 580.

That is all a lot of people are saying. Not sure what is so hard to believe about this. Now you go ahead and overclock the 7970 and you regain another gap but you are not going to make another 15~20% that everyone is claiming over a 580.
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We've already established that 3gb does not provide a performance increase unless you are doing 3d surround resolutions.

For the HardOCP:
You do see that the 7970 is at 1,260 MHz over stock 925 MHz which a 335 MHz overclock or a 36% oc?

While the 580 has a 860 - 772 MHz which is a overclock 88 MHz right? Thats a 11% oc.

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Problem with that review.

Secondly, your charts failed to capture one other important piece of info. You are hitting the GPU bottleneck before you reach the VRAM bottleneck. I have tested these settings extensively.

I have owned 3x 580s, 2x 6970s, 1x 6990, 2x 590s, and 2x 7970s (in my rig right now.) I have tested 5760x1080, 1920x1080, and 2560x1600 extensively.

3GB Vram is an issue but only after you have sufficient GPU power to push whatever it is you are pushing. There isn't a single DX9 game out there that can hit above 1.5GB naturally at 5760x1080, i.e. without modification with one and ONLY one exception is Witcher 2 with Uber Sampling. That eliminates half of those titles in your charts as a waste of time for benching 3GB. That leaves F1 2010, Metro2033 which didn't run without 3GB on a single GPU, and Crysis 2. So 33% of your titles didn't even run. The other two display a GPU bottleneck.

I can list 2 titles that can break 1.5GB 580 cards at that resolution off the top of my head. Dragon Age II and Civ 5. Witcher 2 is another strange story which implements very advanced features for a DX9 only title. Secondly, the 2560x1600 can easily enter territories (utilizing AA) well above 1.5GB and its only 4 Megapixels.

So I would say that your conclusions don't follow the data given, if you look real hard at it. I can see it easier as I have a lot of experience benchmarking the aforementioned video cards. Also having the 7970s in my possession now, I am giving you an unbiased opinion that they are faster than 580s, CFX is even faster than SLI 580s but they aren't destroying them, or at least what I was able to do with my own hardware (my OCed 580s.) I am just trying to share my information with those and hopefully help you see in a more balanced view the data you are providing.

One thing I have noticed is that the tessellation performance has greatly increased.
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Double Post ^.^
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Double Post ^.^

Hey RC, do you remember this thread? wink.gif
http://www.overclock.net/t/988475/h-1000-showdown-6990-6970-v-580-sli-56k-warning/0_50

Lesson from that thread, is that people will believe what ever they want to believe.
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Hey RC, do you remember this thread? wink.gif
http://www.overclock.net/t/988475/h-1000-showdown-6990-6970-v-580-sli-56k-warning/0_50
Lesson from that thread, is that people will believe what ever they want to believe.

Sigh, I know, I just want OCN to be respectable....

@Others,
If you don't want to believe the TPU numbers, then check out Guru3Ds numbers. I was blown away by Anno 1404 increase in performance.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review/1
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NBD. I stick with my systems for a year or less. I should be okay for a while. If the tech gods and coders are good to me.,
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NBD. I stick with my systems for a year or less. I should be okay for a while. If the tech gods and coders are good to me.,

For sure, but its still exciting! I am curious on how different it will be though biggrin.gif
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Hardocp is known to be AMD biased. The 7970 doesn't seem to be 20% - 30% according to THIS review. ( See what I did there? )

1) The overall performance chart factors in 1024x768 and 1280x1024 resolutions, and if someone's buying a 7970 for either of those resolutions, then they need to uninstall life. Nvidia blows away AMD at lower resolutions, but in the case of this card, that lead is completely irrelevant.

2) Drivers have improved significantly since those reviews were done. It's easily in the 20% range now. And although this doesn't pertain to the original argument, they'll continue to improve. The 500 series has a massive advantage in driver maturity.

3) [H]ardOCP is AMD biased, I'll agree.
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One thing being over looked from the HardAMD eeerrrr I mean HardOCP is that the resolution charts shown on their sites is at 2560x1600 which is greater than the 1920x1200 resolution where I believe our argument is the main point.

The 7970 3GB vs the 580 1.5GB was used (not fair) not to re-mention the over clocks was on the 7970 was not proportional percentage to the 580. That's HardOCP playing the bias card in every bench they do underhandedly. If they showed 1920x1200 the 7970 wouldn't have been as impressive or favorable to their advertisers who pay their checks. The gains are less.

Single monitors above 1920x1200 resolution is where VRAM does become an issue and more VRAM is king after that point. TPU showed those benches at 1920x1200 and the results speak for themselves.

No one is denying that the 7970 > 580. Please people we know this hands down no contest for many reasons. One over clockabliity on the 28nm is greater precentage than the previous fabrication can over clock and two it can run three monitors with one card.

What was being argued was at 1920x1200 resolution single monitor which MOST of us play at the gains weren't as large as 30% over the 580. Point shouldn't be argued.

I also agree the "1080p more VRAM is better" believers are delusional because it's proven at the 1920x1200 res that more VRAM isn't making the difference rather than a more powerful GPU.

Back onto topic, it's kind of silly to dispute this in the first place because this thread is about Nvidia 'Kepler' news. These types of threads from either about AMD or about NVidia that's good news usually get derailed from fan boys of the other side who for some egotistical reason have 'mine is better than yours' syndrome.

I'm behind Ragin Cain and Main Eric on what they have posted. As for OCN'ers they actually have tried multiple set ups and their advise always sound for quite some time. Neither are biased and both tested AMD and Nvidia cards.
     
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No matter how these threads start, they always end the same way. 

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