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Im looking into server quite a bit atm since we just started a minecraft server. We have bene created out of players from an older server and are getting help from the bigger ones as minescape aswell and we have an awesome admin team.

We have already created a system to bring money from that server in (And it will work, last time it was good for about 200 a month!) and right now were in deep beta. But the costs of paying for the upkeep for a server each month is something that me and my team do not like at all.. We have came up with the idea of just having a dedicated server hosted at my place to use that for the comms server, minecraft server and then renting out the space we do not need.

Our server will be having a database of around 30-40 people in the first month after our release. If we would have the heavier plugins installed (which eat ram for breakfast) that would be 40-50. After a few months with everything completely completed we would have around a 60-70 player database. the ram that that takes is just big and especially for some of the plugins which need around 4GB of ram just to run without players on..

Things that have been solved so far:

1)
My dad has been looking for an alternative ISP for a while (Im dutch and live in apeldoorn and were currently at KPN..) and i'll make
sure that he will pick the fastest with support for a aftermarket router. So that wont be a problem. (port forwarding etc)

2)
Our lead admin is head of a web developing business so the software wont be a problem at all. He will do the software part and such.

3) Money
I don't have any obligations in terms of costs to anything. So i have about 200-230 a months to save for this server. All of the income
of the server (Which would be 100-150 a months, up to 200-250) + my money would be spended on this. If really needed we could
get some out of the rest of the admin team.


But our problems are:
1) Which software should we use?
- For FTP clients so our lead admins can get access to the file-play for when I'm gone on holiday for example.
- Hard restarts on a distance
- Server software (Good and decent one for a good price!)

2) Which CPU configuration to choose..

I have been looking into the AMD G34 CPU's which look pretty beastly. But if i compare then to a Intel CPU with the same price then
it sometimes seems that the Intels are winning. Hyper-threading quad-core making it a virtual 8core vs a hardcore 8core. And the
Intels have more cache as well. maybe I'm just looking for my eyes on my back so yea..

So i've been wondering what the difference would be between the two and how much of an performance decrease we would get. the
server will be running multiple server clients though.

3) Protection, how far will we have to go for our plan on renting a part of the server?



Minecraft itself just eats ram. So we will need a server which will preferable have 8 dimms for a cheap 32Gb solution (8x4 GB) the
2x8GB sets are around 300 euros which is to much for my liking. We're fine with 16Gb of ram in the beginning and to then upgrade it to 32GB later down the road. Same goes for the SSD which will just be added later on to make things more smooth. (Minecraft really runs better on a SSD!) And we will be able to offer support while renting minecraft servers since we always have one of the guys on. This thing will be for the actual game server and the server rental will be going to the power bill and for paying back what we have invested.

Our budget will be around 900-1000 euros. Might be more if really needed, and less would even be better!

Also: I don't wanna cheap out on reliability if it only saves me 100-150 euros. I'd rather pay that extra money then keep having to troubleshoot the whole thing.


Would be greatly appreciated if someone could help us out on this. I know a lot about PC hardware, and my 2nd guy knows a lot about the software. But we both have no understanding for the correct server software and hardware. (Especially the AMD vs Intel scenario..)

Thanks in advance!

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Hyper
post #2 of 25
I host a minecraft server off an Intel Core i7 2600k with 16gb of ram and it runs very well. I do recommend intel the cpu, whether it be server or consumer grade.

For 8 dimms you may have to look at server solutions however
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Yea.. we already thought so haha =]
The more ram the better Ghehe. If we would go for 8dims on a desktop solution then we would be stranded at a 2011 CPU which is way to expensive o.O We dont really need an 8Core with 16 threads i guess? (A)

The ram sets with the 4GB dimms are cheap so that's why we would prefer going for the 8dims. We would only not do it if it wouldnt give us an advantage with costs. Im keeping in mind that if i would put in 4gb*8 in it that i can always make it 8gb*8 for something even better. But when looking for AMD server grade CPU's i would come out at this: Which is pretty low cost for an 8core.

Also, I used to be Intel fanboy, then i moved to AMD (1090T) which really holds out like a beast so I trust AMD that on desktop class, dont know about peoples experience with AMD server CPU's though..

Also: Were keeping 2Gb as open space in case of attacks to fall back on. (as a buffer)
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maybe you can build a lga2011 SB-E at a budget using the I7 3820 4c/8t, the cpu is around the same as a 2600k price and you can have your 8 dimm board.. its an idea thats worth considering to allow you to have more RAM smile.gif
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Probably in my opinion with your requirements of memory and CPU power. You would be looking at a borderline Server solution.
With 32gb of ram which would probably be a little overkill but still go to have would require it would be expensive and hard to find on a single. If you wanted that much would you consider going a 2p board. For the better performance.

Something like this would do for a 2p board that would have 8 dimm's on it for a support of over 32gb. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182182). And you could get 2 mid range Xeons for a lower price than 1 high end xeon off ebay or something. Also Running server tasks on a SSD can were it down really quickly so you would be replacing it quite a bit. Also would you want redundant power supply's or hard drives in case of failure.

For the Operating system you would want to be looking at a Ubuntu system but if you weren't comfortable with ubuntu you could even then still run windows server or even windows 7.
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We've been looking at ubunto aswell yea, ill check that our more in depth tomorrow (4 am now)

And the idea of that dual board looks pretty nice aswell. And the SSD will be a 32GB SSD just for the minecraft server. The rest will be spinning on 2x 500GB 7200RPM HDD's in RAID1. And a redundant PSU.. Well, how often do those things fail? I dont really think a 2nd one always turned on would give us a great advantage considering the power bill. Having a spare one laying around would ve good though..

and i also saw that those mid-range xeons are about 250 each. Which will come out on around 900 in total now. Wouldnt it be an idea to look for a 1u barebone with a dual 1366? Then that would be around 600 with the case and PSU right?

Also: It doesnt matter to which shop you give me a link. I wont be ordering from newegg since im dutch, but i can always use tweakers to find a good retailer here in the Netherlands =]

*looking a bit more to 1366 dual socket barebones now*

EDIT:
been looking at the barebones with dual 1366 and im wondering what the difference is between these two:

TYAN B7002G20V4H 1U Nehalem & Westmere ready Server Barbone,Dual LGA 1366 Dual Intel Xeon 5500/5600 Series

and

SUPERMICRO SYS-6016T-MTLF 1U Rackmount Server Barebone Intel 5500 Dual LGA 1366 Dual Intel Xeon 5600/5500 Series
Edited by Hyper* - 2/20/12 at 7:25pm
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one thing that stands out is memory slots and standards
TYAN
Memory Slots8 x 240Pin
Max Memory Supported 64GBMemory
Type Supported DDR3 1333/1066/800
Channel Supported Triple Channel

SUPERMICRO
Memory Slots 6 x 240Pin
Max Memory Supported Supports up to 48 GB 1333 / 1066 / 800MHz DDR3 ECC Registered memory
Supports up to 24 GB 1333 / 1066 / 800MHz DDR3 ECC Unbuffered
Memory Mirroring supported
Memory Type Supported DDR3 1333/1066/800
ECC Supported Yes
Registered Yes

also just looking at the OP again, if you want to rent out space on your server then at a minimum throw $500 + eruos into a Hardware Firewall, if you storing personal data and finacial data this is a no if, no but no maybe but do it thumb.gif
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We've been looking at ubunto aswell yea, ill check that our more in depth tomorrow (4 am now)
And the idea of that dual board looks pretty nice aswell. And the SSD will be a 32GB SSD just for the minecraft server. The rest will be spinning on 2x 500GB 7200RPM HDD's in RAID1. And a redundant PSU.. Well, how often do those things fail? I dont really think a 2nd one always turned on would give us a great advantage considering the power bill. Having a spare one laying around would ve good though..
and i also saw that those mid-range xeons are about 250 each. Which will come out on around 900 in total now. Wouldnt it be an idea to look for a 1u barebone with a dual 1366? Then that would be around 600 with the case and PSU right?
Also: It doesnt matter to which shop you give me a link. I wont be ordering from newegg since im dutch, but i can always use tweakers to find a good retailer here in the Netherlands =]
*looking a bit more to 1366 dual socket barebones now*
EDIT:
been looking at the barebones with dual 1366 and im wondering what the difference is between these two:
TYAN B7002G20V4H 1U Nehalem & Westmere ready Server Barbone,Dual LGA 1366 Dual Intel Xeon 5500/5600 Series
and
SUPERMICRO SYS-6016T-MTLF 1U Rackmount Server Barebone Intel 5500 Dual LGA 1366 Dual Intel Xeon 5600/5500 Series

Seeing as its just minecraft on the SSD it will be ok. The redundant power supply is kinda unnessacery but a good power supply with gold rating will do fine from a good band. A:P
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Already thought so about that PSU yea. That will do then haha, maby just buy a spare one when we get some spare money laying around.

But on that firewall, what programs would be needed for that? Maby that my main admin who takes care of all of the software can respond on this forum aswell since he knows a lot more about that stuff then i do haha. im still stuck at norton (A) his name will probably be chatturgha
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Already thought so about that PSU yea. That will do then haha, maby just buy a spare one when we get some spare money laying around.
But on that firewall, what programs would be needed for that? Maby that my main admin who takes care of all of the software can respond on this forum aswell since he knows a lot more about that stuff then i do haha. im still stuck at norton (A) his name will probably be chatturgha

mostly the have an OS or firmware, you may get a instal disk that allows you to SSH into it and for simplicity will be browser based..
any something to read up on and look at some products SonicWall Site you can also look at Cisco ASA's but i thin SonicWall have more cost effective solutiuons and great CS plus make solid reliable products.. now this link should direct you to the Netherlands page
http://www.sonicwall.com/benelux/index.html

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