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Is it really worth the extra $300 or so to get a MSI branded laptop with the same hardware as say a MSI 16F2 which is the barebones counterpart to a GT683 sans all the lights and coolerboost and that nifty OC button?

I ordered a 16F2 from Xotic PC and got a 2670 and 570m with some other options like the 750GB 7,200 RPM drive, 6x bluray reader and 8GB HyperX and I'm wondering if the MSI branded one would really be that much better for the same specs.

Without coolerboost am I going to see outrageous temps? Is there any way to manually adjust fan speed on a laptop?

Sorry for threadjacking, just curious to pick the brains of the two laptop gurus in here. smile.gif
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Is it really worth the extra $300 or so to get a MSI branded laptop with the same hardware as say a MSI 16F2 which is the barebones counterpart to a GT683 sans all the lights and coolerboost and that nifty OC button?
I ordered a 16F2 from Xotic PC and got a 2670 and 570m with some other options like the 750GB 7,200 RPM drive, 6x bluray reader and 8GB HyperX and I'm wondering if the MSI branded one would really be that much better for the same specs.
Without coolerboost am I going to see outrageous temps? Is there any way to manually adjust fan speed on a laptop?
Sorry for threadjacking, just curious to pick the brains of the two laptop gurus in here. smile.gif

retail price for the 580 is like $300ish higher than the 6990.

Usually 580M based laptops are disproportionately expensive as well.
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retail price for the 580 is like $300ish higher than the 6990.
Usually 580M based laptops are disproportionately expensive as well.

The MSI branded GT683 had the same 570m and 2670QM as the barebones 16F2 I ordered but costs about $300-$400 more with all the same options.

I was asking if there's anything else about the MSI branded one that makes that price difference worth it.
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Well, the 580 runs considerably cooler....
-Imglidinhere-

Epic post is EPIC! Thanks for taking the time to spill your knowledge. I hadn't come across Malibal in my search, but I like what they have. I'm split between the Veda and the Force 1761 from Xotic. I have them both spec'd out similarly. They are pretty much the same price. Here's my pros/cons

Veda can be upgraded to Xfire
Veda has 18" screen vs 17 on the Force
Veda appears to have a better build quality

Force is ~4lbs lighter
Force has backlit keyboard (the way I spec'd it)
Force has the GTX-580 (veda spec'd with 6990, no option for 6990 on the Force for some reason)

If the Force had a 6990 option, it would probably win because it would be ~200 cheaper and I really really want a backlit keyboard because if I am actually using this somewhere other than my desk (which has a G15 anyways), it will probably be a dark room. I'll have to talk to Xotic and see if they can option the 6990. If not, I'm leaning towards the Veda because I like the idea of Xfire upgradability, and the build looks very nice.

Actually I just did get a hold of Xotic and there is no 6990 option frown.gif So, upgradability to xfire, or backlit keyboard...
    
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Well after some thinking, and finding out that Xotic's student discount is essentially nil if you are paying cash anyways, I'm really leaning towards the Veda. My biggest worry with a laptop is always that some game comes out that I just have to have and I need more power. I think the X-Fire upgrade gives me a good potential boost in the future. I suppose I used an 8800gt for 4 years, and I only upgraded because the 6850 was so cheap and I wanted 2k textures in Skyrim. I also like the build quality of the Veda, especially the glass touchpad, although it will get minor use.

So assuming I can convince the wife, I'm probably going to get the Veda P180HM with:

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120gb ssd (from my current rig)
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I say, if you're going to go for a laptop that has a single high end GPU, yet the machine can support dual GPUs, go for the dual 560M option. They overclock like mad and offer the best bang for buck performance over a single 6990M.

But other than that recommendation, that machine looks good. Though I have to ask what SSD is this that you're transferring over?

If it's Sandforce driven then you're out of luck... frown.gif Clevo machines don't like Sandforce drivers... frown.gif It's why I'm going for an MSI machine next time around.

Also, I just found out, the MSI GT683DXR-603 offers twin HDD bays WITH a CD/DVD drive. So it's got the same storage options as the 17" machines elsewhere AND it supports Sandforce Solid State Drives. thumb.gif

It's tiny, I know, I'm coming from the massive Toshiba Qosmio X505 in the sig, but my machine only has two drive bays so it's not that big of a deal. tongue.gif
   
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Well that's disappointing, I'm pretty sure mine is a SF controller. Oh well, with 8GB of RAM it's not like a lot of paging goes on after the initial load. I guess that's just one more thing I can sell with the old rig. I suppose SLI 560s is the way to go, I can still upgrade to 2x 6990s in the future. What is the performance gain of the 560s vs a single 6990?
    
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Well that's disappointing, I'm pretty sure mine is a SF controller. Oh well, with 8GB of RAM it's not like a lot of paging goes on after the initial load. I guess that's just one more thing I can sell with the old rig. I suppose SLI 560s is the way to go, I can still upgrade to 2x 6990s in the future. What is the performance gain of the 560s vs a single 6990?

I want to say that stock there's a slight increase as far as Vantage scores. The 6990M stock scores around 13.3k and SLI 560Ms hit around 15.5k. Also with overclocking in mind those 560Ms will quickly reach up to the 20k GPU score mark.

Stock I'd say it's a 15-20% increase when SLI is in use, most older games won't use it, yet won't need it if you catch my drift. I mean for instance, SLI isn't that big of a deal since Half Life 2 supported SLI and CrossfireX back when it first came out over half a decade ago. That and there are only a handful of games that don't support SLI fully. tongue.gif So when people worry about SLI not working well in games and say just to go for the stronger single card, I say what would you do if it were a desktop and you had a VERY fixed budget and wanted the best possible performance for the dollar, wouldn't you SLI or CFX two smaller cards to surpass the one bigger card?

I would. biggrin.gif
   
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post #19 of 21
as my laptop sig rig says i run a crossfire 6990m and sir i cant say any thing about them as i have a cooling monster but still those cards are an EPIC mobile cards i have never seen a mobile card that delivers like this one before and its not worth it to pay around 200 extra for a GTX 580
     
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Well after some thinking, and finding out that Xotic's student discount is essentially nil if you are paying cash anyways, I'm really leaning towards the Veda. My biggest worry with a laptop is always that some game comes out that I just have to have and I need more power. I think the X-Fire upgrade gives me a good potential boost in the future. I suppose I used an 8800gt for 4 years, and I only upgraded because the 6850 was so cheap and I wanted 2k textures in Skyrim. I also like the build quality of the Veda, especially the glass touchpad, although it will get minor use.
So assuming I can convince the wife, I'm probably going to get the Veda P180HM with:
I7 2670
8gb RAM
6990m
640gb hdd
120gb ssd (from my current rig)
Blue LEDs

I'm currently running my sigrig (gt555m) and I can play Metro at medium on 1600 x 900 with frames in the 40's on average. Unless you absolutely have to max every setting, I wouldn't be too concerned. Keep in mind that resale on mobile tech is horrendously bad.
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