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i love dubstep
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I don't listen to a ton of dubstep but I do a little. From what I have listened to my BIC F12 and the dual 8's in my Klipsch Promedia setup sound pretty good. My 6" Yamaha powered sub and Creative 2.1 setup doesn't biggrin.gif

I would recommend the BIC F12.. it's $188 and can get loud and fairly low.
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from an amazon review on the F12
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It does produce 25hz sine wave tones, but at very low levels that is basically not audible relative to the higher frequencies this sub can make. And at about 20hz, you can obviously hear doubling effects from this sub, where there is quite a lot of 2nd harmonics at 40hz present... So, this sub is not very loud at low end bass below 30 hz, has a rather poor bass response linearity (very peaky), and produces too much of 2nd order harmonics at its low end response (will make some music such as pipe organs sound like one note bass). It is great for making explosion sounds or pop music that is heavily equalized from 50hz to 80hz, but very poor at producing loud and clean low frequency notes of a large pipe organ below 35hz...
so it looks like its a great woofer, but not for my specific needs which is that 20-40 hz range. Maybe there isn't one that does that below $400ish...? this woofer is half the cost of what I'm willing to spend though, I mean my last woofer lasted me 7 years, I'm not trying to save $100 for something that I'm going to use every day for years and years, if theres one thats $500 I'd consider it still.
If this is outside the scope of all of your knowledge, can anyone refer me to a good forum? that reviewer referenced audioholic I think...
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from an amazon review on the F12
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It does produce 25hz sine wave tones, but at very low levels that is basically not audible relative to the higher frequencies this sub can make. And at about 20hz, you can obviously hear doubling effects from this sub, where there is quite a lot of 2nd harmonics at 40hz present... So, this sub is not very loud at low end bass below 30 hz, has a rather poor bass response linearity (very peaky), and produces too much of 2nd order harmonics at its low end response (will make some music such as pipe organs sound like one note bass). It is great for making explosion sounds or pop music that is heavily equalized from 50hz to 80hz, but very poor at producing loud and clean low frequency notes of a large pipe organ below 35hz...
so it looks like its a great woofer, but not for my specific needs which is that 20-40 hz range. Maybe there isn't one that does that below $400ish...? this woofer is half the cost of what I'm willing to spend though, I mean my last woofer lasted me 7 years, I'm not trying to save $100 for something that I'm going to use every day for years and years, if theres one thats $500 I'd consider it still.
If this is outside the scope of all of your knowledge, can anyone refer me to a good forum? that reviewer referenced audioholic I think...

Okay, you're never gonna buy a subwoofer than can go to 20-80hz flat for 2-$400, unless you hit the jackpot on craigslist or audiogon or something.. Maybe just a woofer, but still. And dubstep doesn't actually go THAT low. 30hz is pretty much the lowest 99% of all music will ever go.

Popular forums are audioholics, the bluray.com forums, gearslutz and avsforums.

Also, finally there's an objective (somewhat) review on the F12. Seems to not be as great as many make it out be.
Edited by Eugenester - 3/2/12 at 10:38pm
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thanks for the response.
my old woofer went to 25, and I felt like I was missing some parts of some of the lowest lows in some songs. I guess its not that crucial if theres no way to get it for 400. It looks like you suspected that the F12 wasn't that good, do you have a recommendation? I was previously thinking the f12 would be good if I were to end up being ok with 25, but now (cliffnotes bolded) my revised priority is clarity at 25-40 hz. range
any suggestions after this revision anyone?
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thanks for the response.
my old woofer went to 25, and I felt like I was missing some parts of some of the lowest lows in some songs. I guess its not that crucial if theres no way to get it for 400. It looks like you suspected that the F12 wasn't that good, do you have a recommendation? I was previously thinking the f12 would be good if I were to end up being ok with 25, but now (cliffnotes bolded) my revised priority is clarity at 25-40 hz. range
any suggestions after this revision anyone?

Well first off, I can assure you that your old woofer did not go to 25hz. Well, technically it did, but at such a low volume it would be inconsequential. The sub in the S750 seems to be 8" or maybe 10". The laws of physics makes it almost impossible to get decent LINEAR output to 25hz with 8/10 inch subs, especially in "multimedia" sets. And it's not like you're missing anything under 25hz, it's mostly just vibrations you'll FEEL, not hear. But anyways, I'm advising that you stay away from 25hz as a requirement, especially with your budget and the speakers you're gonna use with said sub. No point in buying a SVS if you're gonna use it with 3" full range plastic speakers.

Again, I would look into something like the HSU STF-2 or maybe a DIY sub. The 10" Titanic kit from Dayton could also work. There's also a 15" kit, but the Titanic driver is better. There are also many designs online if you wanna go that route.

And once again, most dubstep the vast majority of dubstep stops at 30-40hz, if it even goes that low. I guess if you were making your own stuff then it might be a concern, but still, no point in getting a monster sub if your other speakers don't cut it.
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If all you've got are the Creative Gigaworks speakers, then buddy...you need an entire system overhaul. Adding a good sub to that would be like eating the greasiest fast food....with a salad and a Diet Coke. You need quality speakers if you want a quality sub. That Creative set was fine for a multimedia speaker setup, but its FAR from being good quality.

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BIC Venturi Dv62si Bookshelfs
BIC Formula F12

Add some speaker wire and a 3.5mm to RCA Cable, and you're set. That will EAT those Creative speakers alive. I'm serious, don't waste $400 on a subwoofer for junk multimedia speakers. It's absolutely pointless. And NO, your Creative speakers did NOT go down to 25Hz, I promise you that.
 
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dude just do what i did all you need is two car amplifiers, sub . basically convert care audio to you home and get some cheap xbox power bricks to power the everything and man its cheap the overall cost was below £30 thats if you dont mind looking around for second hand stuff but overall it sound great
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dude just do what i did all you need is two car amplifiers, sub . basically convert care audio to you home and get some cheap xbox power bricks to power the everything and man its cheap the overall cost was below £30 thats if you dont mind looking around for second hand stuff but overall it sound great

No, just no. I've used car audio in the home before. Good LUCK powering a real car amplifier in the house properly. A proper house amp is cheaper and more cost effective since you don't have to convert AC to DC power. Or you could just buy a real powered sub that's made for the home and be over it.

Again, good LUCK getting the amperage required to PROPERLY power a real car amp in the house.

Plus, this advice would give him absolutely NOTHING, as he'd still need a sub and an enclosure. And a car subwoofer enclosure and driver would be FAR from optimal for home use, unless he got the right sub, and custom built the enclosure JUST right.
 
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If all you've got are the Creative Gigaworks speakers, then buddy...you need an entire system overhaul. Adding a good sub to that would be like eating the greasiest fast food....with a salad and a Diet Coke. You need quality speakers if you want a quality sub. That Creative set was fine for a multimedia speaker setup, but its FAR from being good quality.
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Add some speaker wire and a 3.5mm to RCA Cable, and you're set. That will EAT those Creative speakers alive. I'm serious, don't waste $400 on a subwoofer for junk multimedia speakers. It's absolutely pointless. And NO, your Creative speakers did NOT go down to 25Hz, I promise you that.

I couldn't second this any more. pioneerisloud recommended me a set of cheaper speakers (Dayton DTA-100a, Dayton B652 Bookshelves, & Dayton SUB-120) to fit my cheaper budget and the difference between my Z-5500 setup was beyond day and night. Seriously, this setup doesn't even blow the Z-5500 setup out of the water - it blows out into the next universe.

Keep in mind my setup is cheaper than the one recommended to you. I'm sure you will be pleasantly surprised by how big of a difference real speakers make when compared to the multimedia stuff you're used to.

As other people have said in this topic I seriously doubt that dubstep has any significance whatsoever below 30hz. I listen to electronic (usually drum & bass and dubstep) music quite a bit with my setup and it is as clear as can be.
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