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Most dubstep music is actually VERY heavy right around 50-60Hz or so. Again, like its been said, it caters to those multimedia speaker sets that most teenagers use on their computers, since that's the best audio they can usually have (no offense to any teenagers out there), and since teenagers are GENERALLY going to be the target audience for dubstep.

Once you hear a REAL speaker setup, and realize that just two bookshelfs can acheive the same thing....and then you add a subwoofer to the mix (a REAL subwoofer), and you experience REAL notes below 50Hz, your head will explode. wink.gif
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As I stated I don't listen to a ton of Dubstep but I do some. From what I have listened to the BIC F12 does great for it. Obviously there are better subs out there but for under $200 you will not get a better sounding sub.

Even my dual 8's in my Promedia setup sounds good with dubstep.
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If all you've got are the Creative Gigaworks speakers, then buddy...you need an entire system overhaul. Adding a good sub to that would be like eating the greasiest fast food....with a salad and a Diet Coke. You need quality speakers if you want a quality sub. That Creative set was fine for a multimedia speaker setup, but its FAR from being good quality.
For $400:
Dayton DTA-100a
BIC Venturi Dv62si Bookshelfs
BIC Formula F12
Add some speaker wire and a 3.5mm to RCA Cable, and you're set. That will EAT those Creative speakers alive. I'm serious, don't waste $400 on a subwoofer for junk multimedia speakers. It's absolutely pointless. And NO, your Creative speakers did NOT go down to 25Hz, I promise you that.

alright, sounds like this is what I'm going to do. I'll place an order in at the end of the day, in case anyone has any more input before then

Dayton DTA-100a for 96.49 from amazon
BIC Venturi Dv62si Bookshelfs for 109.88 from amazon
BIC America F12 12-Inch 475-Watt Front Firing Powered Subwoofer for $188.81 from amazon
Belkin Audio Cable Splitter 1-Mini Plug/2-RCA Plugs (6 Feet) $3.93 from amazon
RCA AH1450SN 50 Ft. 14-Gauge Speaker Wire $10.81 <-- not quite sure about this, should I upgrade to 12-guage or is there zero difference? any recommendations if this one isn't perfect? not trying to save a tiny bit on speaker wire after all this haha
+ 0 tax
+0 shipping
-5% cash back from chase freedom credit card use
= $389.42
now how do I connect all this to my sound card?
bookshelf speakers <-- (wire <-- wire) <-- sub <-- (wire <--banana plugs) <--amp <-- (RCA <--3.5mm) <-- line out from my sound card ?

and do I have to get wire clippers or does someone have any advice on that? I have a knife I just bought that is sharper than anything I've seen in my life, would that work?
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update: found this deal
Energy ESW-C10 10" 400 Watt Powered Subwoofer for $400-$220 =$180
and
Energy RC Micro 5 Pack 5CH Home Theater System for $300-$150=$150
via
slickdeals
edit: ok looking at the specs it seems as though this is not really a better deal
subs:
(both 150 watt RMS) f12 vs ESW
475 watt peak 400 watt peak,
12 inch vs 10 inch,
25hz - 200hz vs 32hz-140hz
but, its 90 db sensitivity vs "Max Driver Excursion: 102.6dB @ 30Hz, ground plane, 1m" (what does that mean?)

speakers:
BIC vs Energy RC:
6 inch/.75 inch vs 2.5 inch/ .5 inch
43Hz-20kHz vs 150Hz-23kHz
90db vs 88db
2 speakers vs 5 speakers

so it looks like my previous choices were far superior, right?
Edited by MSUPokerGod - 3/3/12 at 10:26am
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update: found this deal
Energy ESW-C10 10" 400 Watt Powered Subwoofer for $400-$220 =$180
and
Energy RC Micro 5 Pack 5CH Home Theater System for $300-$150=$150
via
slickdeals
edit: ok looking at the specs it seems as though this is not really a better deal
subs:
(both 150 watt RMS) f12 vs ESW
475 watt peak 400 watt peak,
12 inch vs 10 inch,
25hz - 200hz vs 32hz-140hz
but, its 90 db sensitivity vs "Max Driver Excursion: 102.6dB @ 30Hz, ground plane, 1m" (what does that mean?)
speakers:
BIC vs Energy RC:
6 inch/.75 inch vs 2.5 inch/ .5 inch
43Hz-20kHz vs 150Hz-23kHz
90db vs 88db
2 speakers vs 5 speakers
so it looks like my previous choices were far superior, right?

1. Never look at peak numbers, exception is sometimes for pro audio. Peak means nothing in consumer (especially budget) speakers, since there's no industry standard for calculating peak wattage.
2. The Energy sub is not worth $400. That might be it's MSRP, but the sale is only bringing it down to what its price should be. You should get kinda suspicious when you see a 28lb sub listed as $400.
3. 90db sensitivity means that the F12 will play 90db from one watt at one meter. For the Energy sub, it's saying the maximum volume it can go. Since it has a 150W amplifier, my math might be wrong, but it probably has a sensitivity of about 84-6db.
4. I have little doubt that the F12 will play lower than the Energy, but since both should drop off at 35hz, you'll want the more linear one. There are few reviews on budget subs that have this info.
5. As for the bookshelf speakers, you're comparing a HTiB set with a pair of low-end bookshelves. The bookshelves will play louder and go much lower, and I'd advise against the Energy RC set unless you plan to watch a lot of movies as well. Also, finding a 5-channel amplifier would only raise costs.
6. Yes, go with your previous choice.

7. Oh, and 14ga wire should be fine. 12 is for long distances. You could even do 16ga, but that's w/e.
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ordered.
Rep for all.
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I agree with the above. The BIC's will be a better choice overall. The subs will be pretty close, but I feel the F12 will go a little lower. The BIC Bookshelfs will definitely sound better than those tiny little Energy speakers. Not saying they're "bad", but they're far from optimal.

To hookup:
Sound card 3.5mm output, into the RCA connection of the DTA-100a amplifier.
Speaker outputs (via banana plugs, come with the amp), using speaker wire, into the speaker line level inputs on the subwoofer.
Speaker wire from the line level outputs on the subwoofer, into your bookshelf speakers.

14ga wire is fine, even 16ga would suffice honestly, but there's no harm in using 14ga. 12ga would be completely overkill unless you plan to run 50 feet per speaker. And yes, you'll need to cut and strip the wire to fit. You can use scissors, fingernail clippers, a knife, wire strippers...whatever works.
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one last question
found one more deal and theres still time to cancel my order
energy s10.3 for $200
its advertised as being clean down to 21Hz, is that for real?
amazon has that woofer for $350...

edit: fr graph of the s10.3 (in blue)
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one last question
found one more deal and theres still time to cancel my order
energy s10.3 for $200
its advertised as being clean down to 21Hz, is that for real?
amazon has that woofer for $350...
edit: fr graph of the s10.3 (in blue)
321

The link lists it at $250? But anyways, honestly, I can't give you a yes or no answer. However, I would be very suspicious of that claim, especially at -3db. 34lbs, and goes down to 21hz? For comparison, this is one of the better 10" subs for the money: SVS PB10. That was $429 MSRP. However, comparing the S10.3 and the F12, the Energy actually has a bigger box, despite it being a 10" compared to the F12's 12". I'd assume that the Energy sub is better tuned to it's box, and be more linear. Of course, this is all speculation, but if you can get it for $200, go for it.

Another thing about subwoofer specifications: since they play a very short range (20-120hz for most), a +/- 3db scale allows too much leeway.
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one last question
found one more deal and theres still time to cancel my order
energy s10.3 for $200
its advertised as being clean down to 21Hz, is that for real?
amazon has that woofer for $350...

edit: fr graph of the s10.3 (in blue)
321

If you can get that sub, with a good speaker amp, and a good set of bookshelfs, yes it'd be worth it. The 8" model of that actually rivals the Dayton 10" (usually beats the Dayton actually), so I would imagine the 10" model would do that much better.

And as already noted, the enclosure is larger as well, which means its more than likely tuned lower. All good things.
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