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Originally Posted by Detroitsoldier View Post

...0-60 doesn't hold any value in the real world or anywhere outside of a dealership advertising 0-60 times...but it just has no real-world implications

I have absolutely nothing of value to add to this thread, but I simply cannot allow one of my biggest pet peeves to go un-commented on:

Maximum speed has absolutely no real world value. Maximum torque has very little real world value. Pretty much no performance aspect of a car other than fuel mileage, safety, and capacity have any real world value on any non-specialized consumer vehicle. We live in a world where streets have speedlimits and are designed with inclines and curves that can be easily handled by even the poorest performing cars. There are golf carts which i not for safety violations would be perfectly street-legal and capable on any road in North America.

I couldn't care less what opinions you have on this car. I couldn't care less about this car myself. But please, do yourself and the rest of the OCN community a favor and keep your arguments somewhat valid.
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Originally Posted by Zak.V View Post

No suv is the dream machine for lap days.

Here, meet Hans Stuck and the BMW X5 Lemans. I think he would beg to differ.



This SUV has lapped the Nurburgring Nordschleife in 7:49.

Which, coincidentally puts it ahead of the 911 Carrera S, and 911 Turbo (997).
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man that car is ugly as hell, its like a typical soccer mom car and a prius hooked up and made a retarded baby
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I'd love to see a dyno chart for this car. The powerband must look like a straight line with those electric motors powering it.
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Originally Posted by RonindeBeatrice View Post

One motor each for the front and rear wheels is not AWD. Shame on you Tesla.
Then what does? magic pixie dust in the tires? AWD. All Wheel Drive. All Wheels are Driven.

Motor powers front wheels - check.
Motor powers rear wheels - check.

Soooooo, what are we missing?
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Originally Posted by Detroitsoldier View Post

There's a difference between 4WD and AWD.
It's all marketing / opinion. EVERY manufacturer's AWD/4WD is different from every others, often the same mfg has different systems with the same name (ie acura SH-AWD differs by vehicle). Would you say the Hummer (H1/military) has AWD or 4WD? Most would probably say 4WD, but it's more like an old audi quattro than it is the old fashioned open diff, transfer case "4WD" system that is generally pretty useless.
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Originally Posted by Darkpriest667 View Post

Not quite. 4WD is where each axle moves independently making all 4 wheels move.
AWD is where each WHEEL moves independently.
4WD = axle movement on each PAIR of wheels
AWD = axle movement on each INDIVIDUAL wheel

That's one interpretation, but decidedly NOT factual. Also you probably mean powered instead of moves/movement.
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Originally Posted by Riou View Post

I see. Since they are only using an engine for each axle, it is basically 4WD then. If they used an electrical engine for each wheel instead, they could independently adjust the power going to each wheel.

You can do that with a single engine. Acura SH-AWD can move 70% power to any one wheel.

The NAME doesn't matter, or really mean anything. What it DOES is what matters, and to find out what brand "x"s system is, you have to do some research - they're all different.
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Someone needs to tell Tesla to stop drinking their own urine. 0-60 in 4.4 seconds? Unless this car has an upwards of 4,500 N·m of torque, there is no way these claims are accurate - well, that is unless it tops out at 100Km/h. Even the Audi e-tron 'only' manages a 0-60 time of 4.8s, and I can guarantee it produce a lot more power than the equivalent of a chromosomal anomaly in car form that Tesla produced.
Oh, and apparently they aren't familiar with the difference between AWD/4WD.
It hurt - it physically hurt to read this article.
The Porsche Cayenne GTS manages a laptime of 8:40s on Nurburgring. I'll take that bet.

Series wound DC motors have more torque than you can shake a stick at. now put in two of them (polyphase AC motors aren't too bad either). Massive potential torque and stored energy are totally unrelated. Maximum power and continuous power are also separated.
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Originally Posted by Partol View Post

70 miles round trip = approx. 35 miles one way.
Why not recharge at your destination? You know, you can always ask a store or person at home for a charge.
Just offer $10 to anyone with an electric outlet for a 1-2 hour charge.
Electric outlets are almost everywhere! Gas stations are not.

$.50 is much more realistic (but still way overpriced) value for 2 hours of 12A draw @ 110v.
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Originally Posted by tedman View Post

Every American claims they "need" their trucks. rolleyes.gif
Some of us actually use them:
450

Can't fit that in a car.


This being a geeky forum, there seems to be a lot of blind rage directed at some pretty cool toys.

Don't forget, EVERYTHING tesla makes is a toy. No one NEEDS one.

as for this:
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Originally Posted by Pheatton View Post

Then there is this little info, Tesla Motors’ Devastating Design Problem

"As a second Roadster owner discovered, the Tesla battery system can completely discharge even when the vehicle is plugged in. This owner's car was plugged into a 100-foot long extension cord for an extended period. The length of this extension cord evidently reduced the electric current to a level insufficient to charge the Tesla, resulting in another "bricked" Roadster."
As someone who has run equipment at the end of a 200' extention cord, the only way you could fail to maintain a float charge of a battery bank that wasn't a multi-metric ton battery bank with a 12ga 100' cord, is to forget to plug it in. Something wreaks of FUD.
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Really, who cares how fast it can go from 0 to 60. Like it really matters. I have a puny 110HP four cylinder and I get the last laugh at the gas pump.
Edited by aweir - 2/25/12 at 12:15am
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Really, who cares how fast it can go from 0 to 60. Like it really matters. I have a puny 110HP four cylinder and I get the last laugh at the gas pump.

haha SAME!

Still have my car and I get so much to the tank its rockin'
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Really, who cares how fast it can go from 0 to 60. Like it really matters. I have a puny 110HP four cylinder and I get the last laugh at the gas pump.

Some people it matters. Like me for one. I have only owned nice sports cars and muscle cars. Why? because I like the way the feel. I will also gladly pay the extra at the pump to drive my pride and joy around. Driving an economey car make's me sick. They feel weak and under powered. I could go on about why I can't stand an eco car. But its all personal perference. IMO I like a car with a faster than normal 0-60 time's. I also drive a car with full coil over's and enough boost to punch a hole in the side of the block. Why? I like it!
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Read the owners manual of any car and you will find similar (but not as costly) disclaimers. Like the one about maintaining oil levels or it voids the warranty... Granted it only costs about $10k (depending on the car) to swap out an engine if levels are allowed to go too low and the engine self destructs.

10k for an engine? who the FRAG are you buying engines from?
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Not always true. Take the 2002 model year GT mustang for example (this also applies to other years). By the time you realize that you are a quart low on oil, you have already spun a rod bearing and if you don't shut the engine off immediately the engine is toast. $6k to fix it.

Again 6k to replace an engine? who are you people buying these engines from.. you can get a brand new one for less than 2500 bucks. and if you actually dont go to the dealership or a shoddy mechanic most of them will do the work for 1000 bucks or less. If you do it yourself (like I would) its not even a problem. Then again I'd never let the oil get low enough to seize my engine.
 
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10k for an engine? who the FRAG are you buying engines from?
Again 6k to replace an engine? who are you people buying these engines from.. you can get a brand new one for less than 2500 bucks. and if you actually dont go to the dealership or a shoddy mechanic most of them will do the work for 1000 bucks or less. If you do it yourself (like I would) its not even a problem. Then again I'd never let the oil get low enough to seize my engine.

The engine i want for my car costs $8995, without installation. Granted it's not stock, but still.

Last time I bought a replacement 4 banger for my old old bmw it cost me $650 delivered.
 
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