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I guess so but I noticed that realtemp never shows 16x?

theres always something to do on a comp, windows checking something, updates check, firewall running etc etc..
why you worry so much about trivial things anyways wink.gif
but the talk in here is about offset mode...lol


now this is important...dinner.. bbl wink.gif
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theres always something to do on a comp, windows checking something, updates check, firewall running etc etc..
why you worry so much about trivial things anyways wink.gif
but the talk in here is about offset mode...lol


now this is important...dinner.. bbl wink.gif

Sorry but I tend to understand every minute detail I could possibly notice. Curiosity kills? Lol.
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Sorry but I tend to understand every minute detail I could possibly notice. Curiosity kills? Lol.

Knowledge is power, and knowing is Half The Battle! GI-JOE!

Couldn't resist tongue.gif Ya I just d/l the direct version from the link, not the whole setup package. Or maybe I did and it just updated the current install which is the x32 bit version. Hmm...
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Sorry but I tend to understand every minute detail I could possibly notice. Curiosity kills? Lol.

im still alive, so i dont think so.. biggrin.gif
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im still alive, so i dont think so.. biggrin.gif

So you want more? redface.gif
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So you want more? redface.gif

if its on topic,
Offset Mode Overclocking smile.gif
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I guess so but I noticed that realtemp never shows 16x?

I'm wondering if it is just a reporting time issue where CPU-Z doesn't update quickly enough and so just averages the freq. If you run ThrottleStop and select the "more data" option it updates really quickly, and you can see that the CPU freq is changing a lot. Of course that's a really old program, so maybe it isn't right either.

Edit: Looks like CPU-Z does do something different at idle:
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FID stands for Frequency Identifier. This is also commonly referred to as the multiplier that your CPU is using. ThrottleStop uses high performance timers within the CPU and can very accurately calculate the average multiplier during each 1 second sample period. If during the previous 1 second, the CPU spent half of its time using the 10 multiplier and the other half of the time using the 11 multiplier, ThrottleStop would report that as 10.50. The multiplier can be changing hundreds of times a second within a CPU so reporting the average multipiler will accurately tell you exactly how your CPU is performing. ThrottleStop uses the method recommended by Intel in their November 2008 Turbo White Paper. At idle or when a CPU is lightly loaded, CPU-Z does not follow this method so you will likely see some disagreement between these 2 programs. CPU-Z does this for more consistent validations

Edited by Forceman - 2/15/13 at 10:42am
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I'm wondering if it is just a reporting time issue where CPU-Z doesn't update quickly enough and so just averages the freq. If you run ThrottleStop and select the "more data" option it updates really quickly, and you can see that the CPU freq is changing a lot. Of course that's a really old program, so maybe it isn't right either.

Edit: Looks like CPU-Z does do something different at idle:

Yeah but still the latest version x64 of CPUZ doesn't even show it downclock at all.
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ThrottleStop 5.00
July 31, 2012

http://www.techinferno.com/downloads/?did=41
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If you run ThrottleStop and select the "more data" option it updates really quickly, and you can see that the CPU freq is changing a lot. Of course that's a really old program, so maybe it isn't right either.

The last official release of ThrottleStop is not that old! Sure ThrottleStop has been out for a few years but it gets updated when Intel releases new CPUs. Intel has not released any new CPUs since Ivy Bridge came out so there isn't too much that needs updating.

There are 2 methods to determine the CPU multiplier. One method is very simple and involves reading 1 register in the CPU. The other method is far more complicated but can show you exactly what your CPU is doing. That's the method that Intel recommends and that is the method that RealTemp and ThrottleStop use.

Each thread of your CPU contains two timers that are constantly running. When these two timers are running exactly in sync, that means the CPU is running at its default multiplier. If the core timer is running slower than the reference timer, that means the multiplier is dropping down because the CPU has nothing to do and is trying to save power. When the core timer starts running faster than the reference timer, that means the CPU is using Turbo Boost. By constantly comparing these two timers for each thread, you can determine exactly what a CPU is doing in real time. With these timers running at billions of cycles per second, that's like using a stop watch with about 9 significant digits after the decimal point. The slightest change in the multiplier can be accurately determined when using this method.

If ThrottleStop and RealTemp do not show your CPU sitting at a nice steady 16 multiplier then I guarantee you that your CPU is not idle. I have a very lean system and at the moment, Task Manager is showing 780 threads running in the background. These threads constantly need to be processed by the CPU so it won't be sitting at the 16 multiplier unless you force it to do that with the Balanced Profile or similar.
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Yeah but still the latest version x64 of CPUZ doesn't even show it downclock at all.

CPU-Z is a MHz validation tool. You need to use the right tool for the job. There are more precise tools available if you want to know what your CPU is really doing.
Edited by unclewebb - 2/15/13 at 11:12pm
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ThrottleStop 5.00
July 31, 2012

http://www.techinferno.com/downloads/?did=41
The last official release of ThrottleStop is not that old!

Ha. When I was looking to download it I saw a bunch of Google pages the listed version 5.00 but some of them had dates of 2009 or something, so I just assumed it must be that old. Thanks for the tip, and the great info! smile.gif
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