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With all of your nice hardware, I wouldn't be taking any risks. There's some really expensive stuff in that rig and it wouldn't be great if it degraded or died due to excess heat caused by the faulty cooling. If I were you, I'd use a backup rig or laptop until you get the new reservoir. You could always plug the HDD's into an external bay if you need the files.
Just my thoughts. wink.gif
 
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With all of your nice hardware, I wouldn't be taking any risks. There's some really expensive stuff in that rig and it wouldn't be great if it degraded or died due to excess heat caused by the faulty cooling. If I were you, I'd use a backup rig or laptop until you get the new reservoir. You could always plug the HDD's into an external bay if you need the files.
Just my thoughts. wink.gif

You're right. However, when the computer is on (especially as of late) I monitor the temps whenever I'm doing anything (gaming, browsing the web, etc.) and listen to the reservoir (unless I'm listening to music) just to make sure it's not completely dry - because IIRC that's bad for the pump.

When I'm not here, the computer is off.

Would this still be okay or is there something that I'm running the risk of other than that?
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Would this still be okay or is there something that I'm running the risk of other than that?

I wouldn't want to put a $1000 CPU through temperatures higher than 80c for more than a second. If you, say, were to listen to a song that's just five minutes long and the loops runs dry, the CPU (being a hex-core at 4.2GHz...) could easily get very hot, very quickly. What I'm trying to say is, if you loose concentration on the loop or forget to check the temperature and it gets hot, you could be saying goodbye to your 980x very quickly. IMO, it's not even worth considering turning on the system with a small block of copper for cooling. It would probably be OK, however, if you under clocked it to ~1.6GHz and used just one or two cores. wink.gif

EDIT: just saw that you have 580's in SLI. I presume that these are on the same loop as the CPU? rolleyes.gif It would like be trying to cool your computer with water that had just drifted through a kettle...

Edit#2: You could cool the tubes at the top of the loop to create a convection current; the liquid cools near the CPU and becomes denser, so it flows down one tube and through the GPU's, where it then heats up and goes back up the other tubes to the top, flowing back round over then CPU and the ice packs that you put over the tubes at the top. It would be like a makeshift pump tongue.gif Not sure how effective it would be though...

(Don't actually do this...)
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Would this still be okay or is there something that I'm running the risk of other than that?
I wouldn't want to put a $1000 CPU through temperatures higher than 80c for more than a second. If you, say, were to listen to a song that's just five minutes long and the loops runs dry, the CPU (being a hex-core at 4.2GHz...) could easily get very hot, very quickly. What I'm trying to say is, if you loose concentration on the loop or forget to check the temperature and it gets hot, you could be saying goodbye to your 980x very quickly. IMO, it's not even worth considering turning on the system with a small block of copper for cooling. It would probably be OK, however, if you under clocked it to ~1.6GHz and used just one or two cores. wink.gif
EDIT: just saw that you have 580's in SLI. I presume that these are on the same loop as the CPU? rolleyes.gif

Yeah they are. :x

The loop definitely won't run dry, but it may stagnate. Actually I take that back.

The EK reservoir has about 2cm of room before the bottom part meets the plastic part where the seal is broken and it is leaking. That being said, there will always be water pumping through the system. The question here really is more or less how much air will also be going through the loop. From looking at it now (it is not leaking, but there is not much water), I can't visibly see any air getting into the loop, but I can hear slight squishing every half a minute or so, leading me to believe there is air getting in there.

The only consequence I see of doing this is slightly warmer temps due to less water in the reservoir to keep it cooler.

I am really just playing Devil's advocate here Warweo. I know you're trying to help so I really appreciate it. I probably won't run it this way but I just wanted to see if it was possible. Chances are I will attempt to silicone the terrible EK reservoir again and see what happens (or maybe I can put a bowl underneath it and when the reservoir is empty again, just dump all the water back in, haha.)

I feel like I'm pumping gas every day here.

Perhaps I should make a thread on this warning everyone to BEWARE OF EK RESERVOIRS? I even PMed Tibor and haven't heard back. frown.gif
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Would this still be okay or is there something that I'm running the risk of other than that?
I wouldn't want to put a $1000 CPU through temperatures higher than 80c for more than a second. If you, say, were to listen to a song that's just five minutes long and the loops runs dry, the CPU (being a hex-core at 4.2GHz...) could easily get very hot, very quickly. What I'm trying to say is, if you loose concentration on the loop or forget to check the temperature and it gets hot, you could be saying goodbye to your 980x very quickly. IMO, it's not even worth considering turning on the system with a small block of copper for cooling. It would probably be OK, however, if you under clocked it to ~1.6GHz and used just one or two cores. wink.gif
EDIT: just saw that you have 580's in SLI. I presume that these are on the same loop as the CPU? rolleyes.gif It would like be trying to cool your computer with water that had just drifted through a kettle...
Edit#2: You could cool the tubes at the top of the loop to create a convection current; the liquid cools near the CPU and becomes denser, so it flows down one tube and through the GPU's, where it then heats up and goes back up the other tubes to the top, flowing back round over then CPU and the ice packs that you put over the tube. tongue.gif
(Don't actually do this...)

The CPU would shutdown to prevent overheating like you described. Its a common "my computer reboots randomly" problem if people let their heatsinks get clogged up with too much hair.
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The CPU would shutdown to prevent overheating like you described.
Oh, trust me: I know ALL about that... lol
I'm the not-so-proud owner of a dell laptop. rolleyes.gif

Back on topic:
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Chances are I will attempt to silicone the terrible EK reservoir again and see what happens (or maybe I can put a bowl underneath it and when the reservoir is empty again, just dump all the water back in, haha.)

I'm not really sure where your reservoir is actually broken, but could you bodge it with duck tape or something of the sort? If it's a simple crack in the side of the res then I guess this would work, but I presume that you would have done this had it been so simple.
 
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In my opinion, if you try to play around with not using a pump, or using faulty equipment because you are too stubborn to listen to others on this thread, then its your $1000 CPU you are going to fry. You have been warned, do as you please. It may work out, but why risk anything when you are dealing with such high end equipment.
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"what happens if you don't run your pump and let the water sit in the loop for a certain period of time?"

opps, either you word it wrong or I misread your question on previous thread. Like other has stated it will be no good (won't work) when running the computer w/o pump. Will essentially overheat and fail and possibly damage your hardware, don't risk it!!

Hopefully you find the last screw, can't be to far away.
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In my opinion, if you try to play around with not using a pump, or using faulty equipment because you are too stubborn to listen to others on this thread, then its your $1000 CPU you are going to fry. You have been warned, do as you please. It may work out, but why risk anything when you are dealing with such high end equipment.

This, pretty much.

P.S, if you do decide to run without the pump, can you film it so we can see? I've always wanted to see a CPU block rupture due to pressure of the steam inside... biggrin.gif
 
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In my opinion, if you try to play around with not using a pump, or using faulty equipment because you are too stubborn to listen to others on this thread, then its your $1000 CPU you are going to fry. You have been warned, do as you please. It may work out, but why risk anything when you are dealing with such high end equipment.
This, pretty much.
P.S, if you do decide to run without the pump, can you film it so we can see? I've always wanted to see a CPU block rupture due to pressure of the steam inside... biggrin.gif

^^This.
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