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Yeah. My friend works for Nvidia doing their cooling designs, and bought one of their used units when they upgraded a few years back. He's obsessed with the whole "silent computing" business, and he wanted to see how loud my computer was. So we measured it.
I don't see where the conflict is. I spent more because (1) I bought higher-end stuff all around, and (2) my $1k includes my MM case, like I said.

1. What higher end is there from what I have posted? Last i checked everything i linked was top of the line. 2. Awesome! Do you like the case you bought?
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1. hat higher end is there from what I have posted? Last i checked everything i liked was top of the line. 2. Awesome! Do you like the case you bought?

I love my Mountain Mods case. I wish it had a door (yeah, I'm one of those people thumb.gif), but it's an awesome piece of hardware. It really makes my computer.

You can see my water-cooling stuff in my sig rig, but it really is a bunch of little things. First off, you're list didn't include the fittings, which can get costly. I also went with an EK Supreme HF (which is about $30 more than the Raystorm), I'm using an RX360 and an RX480 radiators for maximal compatibility with low noise aka low flow fans (the RX480 is about $130 alone), and the fans especially (the GTs are like $25 apiece!) added cost.

I'm not saying that the loop you show there is a bad one (not at all), but given the OP's desire to spend a lot on the system (which to me suggests the desire for tippy-top of the line stuff), and their desire for a low noise, high performance loop (a 5GHz SB does produce a lot of heat, let me tell you), I feel like $1k is a more realistic budget than $500. But of course, that's my opinion, take it or leave it.
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If you are only doing a mild OC on your GPUs, then you really don't need to water cool them. High-end third party coolers installed by MSI and Asus run almost silent, except when you are in the middle of a gaming session, in which case the noise from the game will easily drown out what little noise they make.

This is a really good point. Since I've never watercooled before, and don't really want to do it just for the sake of learning it, I'm thinking about going air. I did some review reading and am astonished an out-of-the-box 7950 or 560 Ti tested under 30dB at load. I don't think any out-of-the-box gpu's were that quiet 2 years ago. Air cases are all kind of a disappointment since the nicer ones usually have jumbo sized fans that don't have <20dB aftermarket options.
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Click my sig..you could build a nice acrylic tower..
 
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This is a really good point. Since I've never watercooled before, and don't really want to do it just for the sake of learning it, I'm thinking about going air. I did some review reading and am astonished an out-of-the-box 7950 or 560 Ti tested under 30dB at load. I don't think any out-of-the-box gpu's were that quiet 2 years ago. Air cases are all kind of a disappointment since the nicer ones usually have jumbo sized fans that don't have <20dB aftermarket options.

It surprised me too when I started looking a few months ago! Even though GPUs are getting hotter and hotter, the new heat-sinks we have are getting them quieter and quieter. Power management for idle has improved to the point where it is unrecognizable from only a few years ago, and that leads to GPUs that can idle at near-passive noise levels. It's really incredible.

But I know what you mean about the cases. That's why I went with a Mountain Mods case. More expensive, but I could customize it to fit my exact build. Even if you are just doing air cooling, the Mountain Mod cases aren't but (but probably a little over-kill budget wise.).

Being as this is OCN, I'm sorry I didn't give you the right recommendation off the bat. It shouldn't have been "go air cooling," but rather OC those mofos biggrin.gif
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I love my Mountain Mods case. I wish it had a door (yeah, I'm one of those people thumb.gif), but it's an awesome piece of hardware. It really makes my computer.
You can see my water-cooling stuff in my sig rig, but it really is a bunch of little things. First off, you're list didn't include the fittings, which can get costly. I also went with an EK Supreme HF (which is about $30 more than the Raystorm), I'm using an RX360 and an RX480 radiators for maximal compatibility with low noise aka low flow fans (the RX480 is about $130 alone), and the fans especially (the GTs are like $25 apiece!) added cost.
I'm not saying that the loop you show there is a bad one (not at all), but given the OP's desire to spend a lot on the system (which to me suggests the desire for tippy-top of the line stuff), and their desire for a low noise, high performance loop (a 5GHz SB does produce a lot of heat, let me tell you), I feel like $1k is a more realistic budget than $500. But of course, that's my opinion, take it or leave it.

Soo wish i could own a mountain mods case,And i would be another that wanted a door!
1. last i checked the raystorm is cheaper and outperforms yours "and my Block" ek supreme hf
2.low flow rads? have you even looked at the rads i suggested or a comparison between yours and mine? oh ya i own them 2 they outperform your xspc also and are cheaper...The 480 version of that rad is 90$
3. And lastly the xspc fans are 4.99 and are Very slightly like 4cfm and .02 static pressure and just as quiet as your 25$ gts's biggrin.gif and im talking about the 1800 models. Price don't mean squat now. Maybe last year or the year before. And at 1.5-1.52 volts i get 58c highest core on "any"<-- even small fft's run in place, stress test with a 580 in the loop biggrin.gif
Oh and 4. if you buy from performace pcs= they incliude fittings for everything your choice of size even biggrin.gif

Im so not trying to be rude or snide or anything like that so please don't take it that way, Im just trying to say things have changed alot in the last year. What used to be the best isn't anymore. And price now doesn't dictate "The best"
Edited by solar0987 - 3/1/12 at 12:33am
post #17 of 25
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Soo wish i could own a mountain mods case,And i would be another that wanted a door!
It's totally worth it!
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1. last i checked the raystorm is cheaper and outperforms yours "and my Block" ek supreme hf
I take back everything I said. redface.gif I realize now that Raystorm =/= Rasa. I was thinking to myself "hmm, XSPC block; I know there's that one that's not bad, but I wouldn't call it top of the line." I didn't even realize that the Raystorm existed, much less how good it was.
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2.low flow rads? have you even looked at the rads i suggested or a comparison between yours and mine? oh ya i own them 2 they outperform your xspc also and are cheaper...The 480 version of that rad is 90$
The problem with the GTS series is that, while they have great cooling properties, they have a high fins per inch compared to the RX series. The high FPI creates a lot of turbulence in the airflow (which is part of the reason they cool better than the RX series), but are much noisier. Given that I built my rig to be as quiet as possible, the RX series gives a much better noise/performance ratio than the GTS rads.
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3. And lastly the xspc fans are 4.99 and are Very slightly like 4cfm and .02 static pressure and just as quiet as your 25$ gts's biggrin.gif and im talking about the 1800 models. Price don't mean squat now. Maybe last year or the year before. And at 1.5-1.52 volts i get 58c highest core on "any"<-- even small fft's run in place, stress test with a 580 in the loop biggrin.gif
Having used a wide variety of fans in my lifetime, I will only ever use GTs now. Why? Because of their psychoacoustic properties. The GTs, even though they aren't actually that silent in terms of dBas, they "sound" silent, which is the most important part. This is what lets you run them at fairly high RPMs and still not "hear" anything. The other benefit that the GTs have over most fans is that, even at very low RPMs, they still produce a large amount of static pressure.
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Oh and 4. if you buy from performace pcs= they incliude fittings for everything your choice of size even biggrin.gif
Yeah, but those are just barbs. Compression fittings look so much nicer biggrin.gif
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Im so not trying to be rude or snide or anything like that so please don't take it that way, Im just trying to say things have changed alot in the last year. What used to be the best isn't anymore. And price now doesn't dictate "The best"
I'm definitely not taking it that way. And you're right, things have changed a lot in the last year. This is really amazing, because my "dream" WC building loop didn't really change from 2009, when I started planning it, until late August 2011 when I finally realized it. And here we have a new major entry into the CPU block.
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It's totally worth it!
I take back everything I said. redface.gif I realize now that Raystorm =/= Rasa. I was thinking to myself "hmm, XSPC block; I know there's that one that's not bad, but I wouldn't call it top of the line." I didn't even realize that the Raystorm existed, much less how good it was.
The problem with the GTS series is that, while they have great cooling properties, they have a high fins per inch compared to the RX series. The high FPI creates a lot of turbulence in the airflow (which is part of the reason they cool better than the RX series), but are much noisier. Given that I built my rig to be as quiet as possible, the RX series gives a much better noise/performance ratio than the GTS rads.
Having used a wide variety of fans in my lifetime, I will only ever use GTs now. Why? Because of their psychoacoustic properties. The GTs, even though they aren't actually that silent in terms of dBas, they "sound" silent, which is the most important part. This is what lets you run them at fairly high RPMs and still not "hear" anything. The other benefit that the GTs have over most fans is that, even at very low RPMs, they still produce a large amount of static pressure.
Yeah, but those are just barbs. Compression fittings look so much nicer biggrin.gif
I'm definitely not taking it that way. And you're right, things have changed a lot in the last year. This is really amazing, because my "dream" WC building loop didn't really change from 2009, when I started planning it, until late August 2011 when I finally realized it. And here we have a new major entry into the CPU block.

Ya i heard that,thumb.gif But the gts series isn't that bad i have 1000 rpm fans on them pull and 2000 rpm fans in push the r4's toned down to about 1200 rpm and there silent and work pretty well.
If i had to do it all again id still get the ek block just for asthetic reasons i love the way the acetal one looks.
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I just recently changed out my loop for almost all new stuff and spent roughly $600 and that's already having my cpu block. My "new" loop is very quiet unless i'm benching so I crank up my fans. Then All I hear are the fans. The little things like screws and fittings add up quickly.

My loop consists of CPU block, 2x GPU, 360 rad and a 120 just to give you an idea.
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I just recently changed out my loop for almost all new stuff and spent roughly $600 and that's already having my cpu block. My "new" loop is very quiet unless i'm benching so I crank up my fans. Then All I hear are the fans. The little things like screws and fittings add up quickly.
My loop consists of CPU block, 2x GPU, 360 rad and a 120 just to give you an idea.

OMG, I forgot all about the screws! Yeah, with lots of fans, you can easily spend $50 or more on screws. In order to match the standard MM black oxide coated pan-head hex driven screws, I had to look all over the internet. I finally found them on McMaster-Carr (great website, btw), but they were very expensive. If you don't care that much about everything matching that specifically, then you could probably spend a lot less, but you're still looking at added cost.
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