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post #21 of 72
There should be more to the discussion than MBA or bust.

I wonder if PC makers would just put aluminum on the outside and lower the hardware specs, if people would still buy it instead of Apple.
Edited by Riou - 2/25/12 at 9:20am
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Hopefully this makes it a discussion. The MBA really is superior to every other ultrabook right now.
13.3", 4 GB, IPS screen for $1000 would be win.

Why get the Air instead of iPad2? Do people even do work on the Air? Base model 13-inch MBA is US$1300.
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Hopefully this makes it a discussion. The MBA really is superior to every other ultrabook right now.
13.3", 4 GB, IPS screen for $1000 would be win.

Not sure if you read 2 posts above yours, but the Asus Zenbook is superior in just about every way...
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Hopefully this makes it a discussion. The MBA really is superior to every other ultrabook right now.
13.3", 4 GB, IPS screen for $1000 would be win.

Tthe Air doesn't us an IPS screen... Its TN panel. The Zenbook is IPS however...
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Keyboard. Much faster hardware. Don't want fingerprints on what I'm looking at.
You can't use an Ipad 2 for work.

People use MBA for work? That is news to me.

Here are the base model prices:

MBA 11-inch: US$1000, 64GB SSD, 1.6GHz dual core i5 (likely a slower low powered version), 2GB ram
MBA 13-inch: US$1300, 128GB SSD, 1.7GHz dual core i5 (likely a slower low powered version), 4GB ram
MBP 13-inch: US$1200, 500GB 5400rpm hard drive, 2.2 GHz dual core i5, 4GB ram

The Air uses a slower CPU than Pro but has an unknown 64GB, 128GB SSD by default instead of a 500GB 5400rpm hard drive. Do Macs still have that ridiculous firmware SSD restriction that limits aftermarket SSD installation options? Macs have expensive upgrade options through Apple.
Edited by Riou - 2/25/12 at 9:35am
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The $1000 Air is 11.6 inch and has 2 GB of memory.
The XPS 13 is 13.3 inch and has 4GB of memory.

I am generally not very fond of Apple's products and marketing tactics....but I'd take an Air over any other laptop in a heartbeat. Seriously, no matter what, I have not yet seen a laptop (ultrabook?) as sexy as the Air (and the MacBooks in general).
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With the Asus Zenbook, you get a 1600x900 resolution display, IPS, better performance, longer battery life, and USB 3.0 all for $100 less than a Macbook Air.

First of all, with the MBA, you get the same performance (same CPU, same RAM), and better battery life (both claim 7hrs, but overall OS X is much better at handling multi-tasking and sleep on battery) and all real life tests by reviewers show the MBA lasting ~30 more mins. There is a student discount that comes with the Air, and you also can get $100 worth of free programs if you buy it with back to school. Not to mention that OS X comes with superior stock programs; iLife + others > Windows Live Essentials.

You also get a better trackpad, capable of many more motions and actions. Also, you get a Thunderbolt which is far more versatile than a USB 3. Plus, I've seen a zenbook; its keyboard and trackpad are incredibly flimsy and unaware of motion. While the MBA's trackpad are much more fluid.

And finally, the display of the zenbook has a higher resolution but it's quality is worse (horrible contrast, white and black levels, viewing angle) and it is too glossy.


And here is some proof for my statements, if you want more, don't hesitate to ask. Just know that MBA buyers are not all blind sheep. I bought my MBA for great reasons, and it is a very well priced and extremely competitive device.

Battery Life:
PC Mag - MBA: 6 hours and 20 minutes
PC Mag - ASUS UX31: 5 hours and 58 minutes

LCD Quality:
41785.png

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The Air uses a slower CPU than Pro but has an unknown 64GB, 128GB SSD by default instead of a 500GB 5400rpm hard drive. Do Macs still have that ridiculous firmware SSD restriction that limits aftermarket SSD installation options?

The Air uses a Samsung SSD (246 MB/s write - 264 MB/s read). I believe you can install your own SSD if you want to.
Edited by born2bwild - 2/25/12 at 9:58am
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post #29 of 72
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First of all, with the MBA, you get the same performance (same CPU, same RAM), and better battery life (both claim 7hrs, but overall OS X is much better at handling multi-tasking and sleep on battery) and all real life tests by reviewers show the MBA lasting 1-1.5 more hours. There is a student discount that comes with the Air, and you also can get $100 worth of free programs if you buy it with back to school. Not to mention that OS X comes with superior stock programs; iLife + others > Windows Live Essentials.
You also get a better trackpad, capable of many more motions and actions. Also, you get a Thunderbolt which is far more versatile than a USB 3. Plus, I've seen a zenbook; its keyboard and trackpad are incredibly flimsy and unaware of motion. While the MBA's trackpad are much more fluid.
And finally, the display of the zenbook has a higher resolution but it's quality is worse (contrast, white and black levels) and it is too glossy.
And here is some proof for my statements, if you want more, don't hesitate to ask. Just know that MBA buyers are not all blind sheep. I bought my MBA for great reasons, and it is a very well priced and extremely competitive device.
Battery Life:
41772.png
LCD Quality:
41785.png

Contradicting your point, the battery life chart shows that the 11" Zenbook gets better battery life than the 11" Air. The 13" gets more because it has 50% more battery capacity.

Also, the touchpad on newer revisions of the Zenbook are MUCH improved. Trust me, I tried a couple at a Windows store and it was blatant which ones had the older and newer touchpads. Also, Asus is offering to replace the Zenbooks with the older touchpads.

Lastly, I can't defend the screen. Seeing it in person, it was awful... the resolution may be higher, but the contrast is terrible. That's a trend with most Windows ultrabooks. MBA beats the Zenbook on this, but even then its not the best.

About price, for similar configurations there is a $200 price difference:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005SY32Q2/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B005USCA4Q&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0D9EYK4TBRAB3P6KJ75T

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook_air/select


For all the people saying that the ultrabooks are priced too high, all I can do is laugh at your ignorance. The Zenbook is the one of the higher end Windows ultrabooks and for the same configuration, it's still cheaper than Apple. Cheaper and it gets better battery life and its lighter and thinner.
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Contradicting your point, the battery life chart shows that the 11" Zenbook gets better battery life than the 11" Air. The 13" gets more because it has 50% more battery capacity.

Sorry about that, I was looking at the wrong graph. The 11'' MBA has pretty bad battery even compared to its big brother. I found a bench comparing the MBA 13" to the Zenbook and showing the MBA having ~22 mins more of battery. Hence his claim of longer battery is completely wrong.
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About price, for similar configurations there is a $200 price difference.

Actually, there is a $100 difference.
From the same seller (amazon).
Also, as I said, counting the back to school promotion (during summer) that brings the cost of both to the same level.


Lastly, it's good to hear they improved the trackpad and keyboard, they were truly horrible when I fist used them.
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