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Do you guys think having a 1920x1200 screen will slow down the TF700's performance and smoothness?
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Do you guys think having a 1920x1200 screen will slow down the TF700's performance and smoothness?
The CPU will be fine, and for the UI the GPU should be fine... not sure about games though. They might give the GPU a higher clock on the TF700.
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Just bought the Prime. Wow this tablet is awesome lol, will definitely be picking up the keyboard however, when its back in stock at RTM pricing. Now to set up VNC on my home system so I can remote in from work. :-)
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What I'm loving so far.

-Wired Xbox 360 controller just works flawlessly.

-Best N64 emulation with high res texture packs with N64oid I've ever seen.

-I even typed up portions of a school paper on it. Polaris Office isn't going to replace Word, but I can sit back on the couch, type a few paragraphs when a new idea comes to me, send it to Asus' web storage thing, and then download it when I get to the computer and add it to my paper and properly format it.

-The screen is beautiful.

-No complaints about battery life when the tablet is connected to the dock. I don't experience that rapid burn I've noticed with smartphones. I can keep auto-brightness on and not have to micromanage power.

Complaints.

-It's still Android, warts and all. Great OS but you can't de- FORCE CLOSE

-The browser is not as fast as I would like it to be. I'm using Opera most of the time.

I'm upgrading to Ice Cream sandwich now, so here's hoping it's as good as my Honeycomb experience.
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Either or you can't go wrong. 1200x1980 is perfect for portrait view. Any higher in resolution just adds to the epeen value - which is something you shouldn't buy an electronic for. Apple has always done a good job in the battery life department and is still the best tablet for battery use. "Retina" displays are nearly useless anyways. At 1980x1200, you'll not see any pixels, or at least disturbing pixelation, at a comfortable viewing distance. Both sport quality displays.

Unless the iPad3 brings better support for OpenCL, OpenVL, etc. applications, the so called powerful GPU is not anything special. Nvidia, given their backing, is more then sufficient to handle next generation graphic and computation technologies at a drop of the hat. Tegra 3 is already ahead in the graphics department by offering better shaders, physics, and shadowing in their games while offering significantly less polygon performance.

So, when it comes down to it, either or will work. If you value 10-13 hours of bettery life, I'd wait for the iPad 3 to see if Apple can still maintain that. 1280x800 does fair for portrait mode but excels better in landscape. The TF701, if Apple continues to not support the next generation in open software, will be the better buy imo. If Apple get's their act together in that department, the iPad3 is going to be good. But either or, outside of text, document, etc., readering, the only thing you should focus on is the battery life, gaming, and a comfortable resolution. 1980x1200 is more then enough. But ~8 hours is plenty isn't it? So when it comes down to the gaming department, Tegra & Nvidia are leaps and bounds ahead of Apple's small "good game" department. Controller support and other things that cannot be named definitely takes the cake.

But then again, that's iff you want to support Apple's unethical behaviour.
Edited by Domino - 3/1/12 at 4:24pm
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Either or you can't go wrong. 1200x1980 is perfect for portrait view. Any higher in resolution just adds to the epeen value - which is something you shouldn't buy an electronic for. Apple has always done a good job in the battery life department and is still the best tablet for battery use. "Retina" displays are nearly useless anyways. At 1980x1200, you'll not see any pixels, or at least disturbing pixelation, at a comfortable viewing distance. Both sport quality displays.
The TF700's 222 PPI display will most definitely be impressive, but you can't dismiss the iPad 3's 264 PPI display -- the difference will be noticeable. That's not to say the TF700's display won't look great, it will, but the iPad 3's display will look a little crisper.
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Unless the iPad3 brings better support for OpenCL, OpenVL, etc. applications, the so called powerful GPU is not anything special. Nvidia, given their backing, is more then sufficient to handle next generation graphic and computation technologies at a drop of the hat. Tegra 3 is already ahead in the graphics department by offering better shaders, physics, and shadowing in their games while offering significantly less polygon performance.
Tegra 3 isn't better in the graphics department, but it does allow for better graphics because of its quad-core processor. Tasks like dynamic lighting, cloth simulation, physics, etc., are all done on the quad-core processor, allowing the GPU to work on other tasks, which is why GlowBall looks so good.

Remember also that NVidia worked with the developers of GlowBall to get every last ounce of power out of the Tegra 3. Neither of us know that the PowerVR SGX543MP2 isn't capable of handling both the graphics and processor portions of GlowBall. I'm not saying it is capable of it or not, although I'd lean towards the latter. However a quad-core Cortex A9 paired with a SGX543MP2 would handle GlowBall better than the Tegra 3.

Apple should do the same as NVidia and work with developers (to produce a game that drains every last ounce from their product) or even release their own graphics demonstration.

It'll be interesting to see what they do with the GPU in the iPad 3. The four times increase in pixels will require significantly more powerful graphics, an SGX543MP8 (roughly) to match the increase. However an MP4 or MP6 may be able to do the job with some small sacrifices, such as AA, or perhaps rendering shadows, etc., at a lower resolution.
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So, when it comes down to it, either or will work. If you value 10-13 hours of bettery life, I'd wait for the iPad 3 to see if Apple can still maintain that. 1280x800 does fair for portrait mode but excels better in landscape. The TF701, if Apple continues to not support the next generation in open software, will be the better buy imo. If Apple get's their act together in that department, the iPad3 is going to be good. But either or, outside of text, document, etc., readering, the only thing you should focus on is the battery life, gaming, and a comfortable resolution. 1980x1200 is more then enough. But ~8 hours is plenty isn't it? So when it comes down to the gaming department, Tegra & Nvidia are leaps and bounds ahead of Apple's small "good game" department. Controller support and other things that cannot be named definitely takes the cake.
But then again, that's iff you want to support Apple's unethical behaviour.
Do correct me if I'm wrong, but you do only have one game made specifically for Tegra 3... and that's GlowBall. I agree on controller support, it's definitely a plus.
Edited by steelbom - 3/1/12 at 6:00pm
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The TF700's 222 PPI display will most definitely be impressive, but you can't dismiss the iPad 3's 264 PPI display -- the difference will be noticeable. That's not to say the TF700's display won't look great, it will, but the iPad 3's display will look a little crisper.

Even on my TF201 (1280x800) I can only see the pixels if I lean right in and put my face right against it. At usual viewing distance (1ft away), it's smooth/crisp as anything. So to me when you start talking about 1920x1200 and higher displays all in the same physical screen area, I'd say personally I think I'd have a LOT of trouble identifying the higher PPI screen.
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Do correct me if I'm wrong, but you do only have one game made specifically for Tegra 3... and that's GlowBall.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/02/27/nvidia-announces-new-tegra-zone-games-including-sonic-the-hedgehog-4-episode-2-exclusively-for-tegra-3-devices/
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edit: also just looked in the tegra store, there's a lot lol. Shadowgun, siegecraft, ye olde pinball, etc
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Even on my TF201 (1280x800) I can only see the pixels if I lean right in and put my face right against it. At usual viewing distance (1ft away), it's smooth/crisp as anything. So to me when you start talking about 1920x1200 and higher displays all in the same physical screen area, I'd say personally I think I'd have a LOT of trouble identifying the higher PPI screen.
I think once you see the higher resolution display you'll notice the difference. The TF201 has a 149.5 PPI display. I don't own one, but I do own a iPhone 3GS at 163 PPI and I can see the pixels on it -- in fact it looks blurry to me after looking at my 4S.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/02/27/nvidia-announces-new-tegra-zone-games-including-sonic-the-hedgehog-4-episode-2-exclusively-for-tegra-3-devices/
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edit: also just looked in the tegra store, there's a lot lol. Shadowgun, siegecraft, ye olde pinball, etc
All right, so there's a few of them, but they don't look to be as graphically impressive as GlowBall. ShadowGun is just a Tegra 2 game with a few improvements for Tegra 3 devices, I'm looking for Tegra 3 exclusives.

Can you give me the link to the Tegra 3 store? I'd like to have a bit more of a look.
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I've got a 3GS/4/4S as well, and yep I'll agree going from the 3GS to the 4 was amazing. BUT. Gotta take into account more than just "PPI", i.e panel type. It's not just the extra pixels you're noticing in the new/beautiful screens in other words.

Also, I wonder, at what point do you think it's just gonna get silly? Like would you notice the difference between a 3000PPI screen and a 3300PPI screen in a 10.1" form factor? You get my point lol

Here's the link to the store: http://www.tegrazone.com/
ShadowGun is a tegra 2 game yes, but there's also a tegra 3 exclusive version.
I think anything with THD is tegra 3 exclusive? Pretty sure but might be wrong
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I've got a 3GS/4/4S as well, and yep I'll agree going from the 3GS to the 4 was amazing. BUT. Gotta take into account more than just "PPI", i.e panel type. It's not just the extra pixels you're noticing in the new/beautiful screens in other words.
Also, I wonder, at what point do you think it's just gonna get silly? Like would you notice the difference between a 3000PPI screen and a 3300PPI screen in a 10.1" form factor? You get my point lol
Oh, I'm not talking about quality. I know the 4/4S is IPS unlike the 3GS, but I can still see those pixels and it's crazy it, it actually looks a bit blurry to me lol.

I think once an individual pixel is so small you can't see it, then we'll not need any higher resolution. That's a long way away though, haha lol.
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Here's the link to the store: http://www.tegrazone.com/
ShadowGun is a tegra 2 game yes, but there's also a tegra 3 exclusive version.
I think anything with THD is tegra 3 exclusive? Pretty sure but might be wrong
Ah thanks! Eh, I see. Cheers.
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