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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger View Post

LOL, no... GTX 500 series: Dec 2010, 14 months later AMD 7900 series to finally match/beat it a little, Q1 2012 (Jan through beginning of Feb). Late march to April 2012, nVidia 600 series to win again just two months later. I'm not sure why you people can't just leave these threads alone when you have no interest in the product whatsoever.

When will people realize that this is not a shortcoming of AMD, but that it would be simply counter-productive and detrimental for further products if they had blown nVidia out of the water and surpassed them greatly?
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Have to agree with that, even if it seems like a bit of a stop gap solution. Timed nicely to go with CPUs that can actually make use of that power, of which we do not even have a clue about and that PCIe 3.0, of which we don't even know it's going to use
(Yes, to the rest of you, I know x79 can do 3.0, but it's not for most.)
I'm waiting for at least a Kepler refresh before I consider doing anything with my SLI.
Good question. Who/why would you pre-order a GPU/CPU?!

fixed that for ya:D
post #53 of 226
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AMD 7900 Series: Dec 2011
Nvidia 600 Series: ? Q4 2012 ?
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LOL, no... GTX 500 series: Dec 2010, 14 months later AMD 7900 series to finally match/beat it a little, Q1 2012 (Jan through beginning of Feb). Late march to April 2012, nVidia 600 series to win again just two months later. I'm not sure why you people can't just leave these threads alone when you have no interest in the product whatsoever.

So much this.

I still don't understand why ATI people come in here to dispute in Nvidia threads, and vice versa. Even with Intel/AMD it shouldn't happen, if you have no interest in researching the news, why bother starting stuff?

(PS I don't comment in ATI and Intel threads, you'll have a hard time finding otherwise so don't try wink.gif )

Anyways, 7xxx did not come out in 2011, it came out 2012, as for the Nvidia cards, believe it when I oc it. Also, 7970 isn't as amazing as everyone says, 590 still beats it wink.gif

The ridiculousness of that statement follows that the 590 is a dual GPU and the 7990 isn't out, but it's also not really fair to compare 40nm to 28nm.

So yes, ATI is runnin unopposed, no however, that doesn't give all the fankids a right to run rampant through here, JUST like it won't give Nvidia fankids an excuse to run rampant when/if kepler beats 7000s.
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As much as i like the 6970(Exceptional card) your a bit delusional seeing as how stock the 580 is easily 15% better and 580 OC scaling is signifcantly better clock for clock and given that most 580s will do 900 or more it's an easy 30%. Especially minimums.
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and all of the sudden you can't unlock a 200-250$ cheaper 6950 twin frozr III and oc it to 1ghz? get two of them and unlock/oc them and you will blow the 580 away for the same price biggrin.gif
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and all of the sudden you can't unlock a 200-250$ cheaper 6950 twin frozr III and oc it to 1ghz? get two of them and unlock/oc them and you will blow the 580 away for the same price biggrin.gif

Unlocking isn't guaranteed, nor is OC'ing.
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Seems AMD took some notes from Nvidia by adding GCN Architecture = Cuda and finally came to the tessellation table rather than cry 'cheating' by Nvidia. Two smart moves that make the newer 7000 series line much more valuable for more reasons. Good card and it's wisdom that can spot intelligence and vice verse.

I am pretty sure it was AMD users calling nvidia cheaters, not AMD themselves. The reason being that a few games were using too much tessellation to make AMD cards look bad. (Too much meaning it no longer improved the visuals)
EDIT: Maybe AMD did publicly state something about tess implementation. I remember something about HAWX 2 vaguely now. My statement above refers to people whining about crysis 2.

As a person who has used a lot of GTX 400 (and a GTX 570), HD 5000, and HD 6000 I can say they are all quite good. In a lot of cases there was no obvious winner. AMD had price/performance cornered until the 560ti 448 came out, and is much better about 3d power efficiency and more vram, while nvidia had OC headroom on all their cards, and clock speed scales better on the green team. Although, I know the HD 6850 is quite the overclocker....

What I am trying to say is that, the last gen was actually quite competitive, unlike certain other generations.
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I didn't ask you for anything. Not sure what your coming from? I was responding to the general statement made about the threads in general. Didnt singal anyone out, no explanation required thanks.

You don't see where I'm coming from? You made a completely uninformed statement: "they took a year to beat the 580," when their strategy completely disregards Nvidia's gigantic die cards. AMD doesn't care about that market segment. It has nothing to do with them not being able to compete - an upscaled 6970 would have wrecked a 580. AMD just competes much better by shifting their lineup. It allows them to sell their cards for less than Nvidia. Their smaller dies allow them to produce more and therefore sell more cards.

Going back to my upscaled 6970 comment... AMD and Nvidia could play cat and mouse all day by releasing GPUs that are more and more massive, but there's a point where it's got to stop. AMD stops before Nvidia does. That's all it means.

If AMD and Nvidia both released cards from the 6000/500 series with a die size that was the exact same, AMD would have won. They're able to push more performance out of a given die space.

580 - 520mm² vs no competition
570 - 520mm² vs. 6970 - 389mm²
560 Ti - 360mm² vs. 6950 - 389mm²
560 - 360mm² vs. 6870 - 255mm²
No competition vs. 6850 - 255mm²
No competition vs. 6790 - 255mm²
550 - 238mm² vs. 6770 - 166mm²

For the 570 vs 6970:
520mm² vs. 389mm² = AMD has a 25.2% smaller die for the same performance

For the 560 Ti vs the 6950:
360mm² vs. 389mm² = Nvidia has a 7.5% smaller die for similar performance (6950 is slightly faster)

For the 560 vs the 6870:
360mm² vs. 255mm² = AMD has a 29.2% smaller die for the same performance

For the 550 vs the 6770
238mm² vs. 166mm² = AMD has a 31.3% smaller die for ~10% less performance

It's pretty damn obvious, especially looking at the 560Ti vs the 6950 given the similar die size, that AMD had a significantly better architecture - at least for gaming. Yet somehow, Nvidia is the winner because they had the bigger card? Get real. Anyone can make a big die that runs fast. AMD did more with less. The 5000 series vs the 400 series was even more proving of AMD's lead.

However, my current predictions for the 28nm generations is that Nvidia will gain more from their transition from the 500 to the 600 series than AMD has from the 6000 to 7000 series.
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It's no longer a strategy, and I'm not sure it ever was. AMD is approaching Nvidia's die sizes because it's more compute orientation.
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Yay....I still probably won't get one till the end of this year, I wanna see what nonreference cards will be coming out and do some comparisons before I purchase of course smile.gif
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When will people realize that this is not a shortcoming of AMD, but that it would be simply counter-productive and detrimental for further products if they had blown nVidia out of the water and surpassed them greatly?

Yea, AMD had to hold themselves back from beating nvidia's butt too bad. rolleyes.gif You know as well as I they poured millions and millions just to get to the point of being SLIGHTLY better than the current gen nvidia cards. But I dont need to say any more about whats been said by thousands of others.
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You don't see where I'm coming from? You made a completely uninformed statement: "they took a year to beat the 580," when their strategy completely disregards Nvidia's gigantic die cards. AMD doesn't care about that market segment. It has nothing to do with them not being able to compete - an upscaled 6970 would have wrecked a 580. AMD just competes much better by shifting their lineup. It allows them to sell their cards for less than Nvidia.

That does bring up an interesting point. What would AMD's GPU perform like if it was that size. How many ALU's or w/e you call them would it have?
 
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