Originally Posted by Arizonian
I didn't ask you for anything. Not sure what your coming from? I was responding to the general statement made about the threads in general. Didnt singal anyone out, no explanation required thanks.
You don't see where I'm coming from? You made a completely uninformed statement: "they took a year to beat the 580," when their strategy completely disregards Nvidia's gigantic die cards. AMD doesn't care about that market segment. It has nothing to do with them not being able to compete - an upscaled 6970 would have wrecked a 580. AMD just competes much better by shifting their lineup. It allows them to sell their cards for less than Nvidia. Their smaller dies allow them to produce more and therefore sell more cards.
Going back to my upscaled 6970 comment... AMD and Nvidia could play cat and mouse all day by releasing GPUs that are more and more massive, but there's a point where it's got to stop. AMD stops before Nvidia does. That's all it means.
If AMD and Nvidia both released cards from the 6000/500 series with a die size that was the exact same, AMD would have won. They're able to push more performance out of a given die space.580
vs no competition570
- 389mm²560 Ti
- 255mm²No competition
- 255mm²No competition
For the 570 vs 6970:520mm²
= AMD has a 25.2% smaller die for the same performance
For the 560 Ti vs the 6950:360mm²
= Nvidia has a 7.5% smaller die for similar performance (6950 is slightly faster)
For the 560 vs the 6870:360mm²
= AMD has a 29.2% smaller die for the same performance
For the 550 vs the 6770238mm²
= AMD has a 31.3% smaller die for ~10% less performance
It's pretty damn obvious, especially looking at the 560Ti vs the 6950 given the similar die size, that AMD had a significantly better architecture - at least for gaming. Yet somehow, Nvidia is the winner because they had the bigger card? Get real. Anyone can make a big die that runs fast.
AMD did more with less. The 5000 series vs the 400 series was even more proving of AMD's lead.
However, my current predictions for the 28nm generations is that Nvidia will gain more from their transition from the 500 to the 600 series than AMD has from the 6000 to 7000 series.
Edited by Homeles - 2/25/12 at 12:20pm
Originally Posted by BizzareRide
It's no longer a strategy, and I'm not sure it ever was. AMD is approaching Nvidia's die sizes because it's more compute orientation.