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another sales fact I like to point out is that mATX form factor IS in fact THE most popular size currently in production for the consumer market. almost ALL pre built DELL, HP, gateway, etc.... are in mATX form factor. there are plenty of noob computer users out there who's 1st step into enthusiast market is to buy a vid card and a new case / powersupply soon after that (after they rudely found out their new kick arse vid card doesn't fit in their stock dell box biggrin.gif )

granted most people would look into larger boxes for their 1st attempt in building a new box. but that's mostly because they don't know any better. smaller boxes actually has superior airflow patterns since the cooling air doesn't have to travel as far to reach the heated components and less airflow is required to achieve positive pressure. a well designed case such as TJ08-E has superior cooling then most full atx cases since the cooling intake air is less then 6 inchs away from the components that needs to be cooled. it's not till you get into an overkill situation that you can out perform a TJ08-E from a thermal / acoustical point of view.

IMO, the progression towards smaller computers is the way of the future. current standard of 1080p can easily be handled by a single vid card and power consumption will drop as we start going into 22nm process or smaller, there wont be much reason to go with a full ATX cases except for epeen purposes. most people have room for a mATX box like dell, but very few people have enough room for a cosmos2. especially considering that more and more people are starting to use their 50inch LED TV as their monitor when gaming it's just not realistic to expect a large computer next to the entertainment center when a mATX can do the job.
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another sales fact I like to point out is that mATX form factor IS in fact THE most popular size currently in production for the consumer market. almost ALL pre built DELL, HP, gateway, etc.... are in mATX form factor. there are plenty of noob computer users out there who's 1st step into enthusiast market is to buy a vid card and a new case / powersupply soon after that (after they rudely found out their new kick arse vid card doesn't fit in their stock dell box biggrin.gif )
granted most people would look into larger boxes for their 1st attempt in building a new box. but that's mostly because they don't know any better. smaller boxes actually has superior airflow patterns since the cooling air doesn't have to travel as far to reach the heated components and less airflow is required to achieve positive pressure. a well designed case such as TJ08-E has superior cooling then most full atx cases since the cooling intake air is less then 6 inchs away from the components that needs to be cooled. it's not till you get into an overkill situation that you can out perform a TJ08-E from a thermal / acoustical point of view.
IMO, the progression towards smaller computers is the way of the future. current standard of 1080p can easily be handled by a single vid card and power consumption will drop as we start going into 22nm process or smaller, there wont be much reason to go with a full ATX cases except for epeen purposes. most people have room for a mATX box like dell, but very few people have enough room for a cosmos2. especially considering that more and more people are starting to use their 50inch LED TV as their monitor when gaming it's just not realistic to expect a large computer next to the entertainment center when a mATX can do the job.

It also seems with some people though, including me, that using a normal sized mid tower or even a full case is like guys and their cars. The bigger the engine, the more you have to show off.

Personally, I loved having a bigger case because I can put a nice water cooling loop in it and its looks really nice. A lot of people who do water cooling use bigger cases too.
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It also seems with some people though, including me, that using a normal sized mid tower or even a full case is like guys and their cars. The bigger the engine, the more you have to show off.
Personally, I loved having a bigger case because I can put a nice water cooling loop in it and its looks really nice. A lot of people who do water cooling use bigger cases too.

unfortunately, most people using water loop are really doing it out of vanity rather then need. I can see going into water for GPU cooling, but pretty much all of the top CPU coolers can keep a chip cool as long as you don't go nuts on heavy OCing. most people WANT their CPU on liquid because of epeen reasons. very few people actually NEED liquid for CPU if they just get through their head that 60C is hot for humans, but not for a CPU smile.gif

I respect liquid cooling for it's ability to move heat to a different location but only if it's necessary. if you don't need to move heat elsewhere and are able to cool it with a good air cooler, then air cooling is far superior due to the fact that air cooler does not have any possibility of breaking down due to wear and tear smile.gif yes fans can break in an air cooler, but same thing applies in liquid. unless you are using a monstrous radiator and are doing it completely passive, but then again there is still the possibility of waterpump breaking down.

anyway, all i'm saying is liquid is more of a vanity choice for 90% of the people out there. there aren't too many situations where a good air cooling case can't handle the job. especially considering that ivybridge is going to be around 70ish watt chip and future development of chips will only drive that number further down. large liquid cooling systems will simply be unnecessary as display standards becomes stagnant at 1080p.
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another sales fact I like to point out is that mATX form factor IS in fact THE most popular size currently in production for the consumer market. almost ALL pre built DELL, HP, gateway, etc.... are in mATX form factor.

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Yep, that's what I meant when I said "I find the size of full ATX cases to be out of hand with respect to commercial system offerings" ...but you said it much more clearly smile.gif
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Too be blunt and this coming from a former owner of several mid to large towers over the years, unless you REALLY have the NEED for the size and expandiblity of such a large case, your essentially just stroking your e-peen. I used to think it was cool, but then I got older and realized I don't give a fark about impressing peeps anymore and downsized to what actually really do need and use.

 

Don't get me wrong, nothing bad about building something you really want and on top of it, people are impressed by your work. But if doing it for the sole fact of garnering attention, its not really the best or mature reason and again, this coming from a person who has done this before in multiple hobbies and learned the hard, expensive lesson as a result.  To each his own


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I *love* Corsair cases. My main rig I'm typing on right now is in a 600T SE. I just bought a whole 300R system for a team mate. 800D is still one of the most inspiring case designs I've seen. With that being said, I want to echo everything that Scuba Steve was saying about the Arc Mini. You talk about losing functionality with cutting the 300R down in size. You can fit *two* 240mm radiators in an Arc Mini. You can do SLI non-reference GPU's without blowing out your eardrums. This is all in a package that is sized *perfectly* if you're not looking to do everything with your PC. Even then, it can come pretty close.

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Every single time I look at my Arc Mini, I think to myself, "if only this had the Corsair touch". I promise you, if you can build something and get the functionality of the Arc Mini with the Corsair design philosophy and build quality, I'll buy it. Hell, I'll probably buy lots of them and tell everyone I know to buy them.
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