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Gigabyte windforce for the loss. I bought 2 6870's but they were garbage since you couldn't overclock for crap since they had no voltage control. How they can sell a card that toutes overclocking yet have no voltage control is just piss poor design.


I agree in some aspect. I have a 6970 ref and a non ref (gigabyte 6970 windforce). I tried to OC same like I did on the REF and I cannot. It ends up giving me BSOD. Not that you can't OC, it's just I cannot push it as much as the ref one.

 
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I hope this issue won't affect with 7970 because apparently the 7950 DCII is bigger than 7970 DCII... I wonder why.

TOP is 7970 and BOTTOM is 7950

545x408px-LL-ceebf741_7970-7950-top-comparison-2-545x408.jpeg

http://techinstyle.tv/feature/asus-hd-7970-and-hd-7950-directcu-ii-graphics-cards-an-unboxing/

ASUS did a great job on the HD7970 DCII while doing a pitiful job on the HD7950. for the price that the HD7950 goes for IMO ASUS should have done alot more work for an improved PCB like the DCII HD7970.

HD7950 has been neglected by many.

Right now the best HD7950 design is the MSI R7950 TWIN FROZR 3GD5/OC V276-013R which is available in Europe.

I'm not a big fan of the HD7000 series for the jacked up prices and fairly lack luster performance in the 28nm AMD cards. For the money that AMD is charging the cards should perform better IMO. To me AMD has used the launch of the HD7000 series strictly to make money while losing focus on putting out the best performing card for the money. Not nice.

The launch of the HD7950 has had a terrible launch IMO. Big failure was high pricing. $399 would have been perfect. Another big failure is all of nice looking AMD reference design HD7950 pcbs were scrapped for another possibly cheaper looking PCB that most of the brand adopted. All the nice high end water blocks that fit the reference HD7970 would have fit perfectly on the reference HD7950 had the different brand name companies stuck with reference AMD HD7950 PCB.
Edited by SonDa5 - 2/26/12 at 8:01pm
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One user in the hardocp 7970 dc2 thread mentioned that his vrms are hitting 115c. Looks like these will have the same vrm issues as xfx's double d versions.
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I'm surprised no one else mentioned that the 7950 DCII does not have a backplate, while the 7970 DCII does. It's a bit weird since even the pictures above show that the 7950 DCII is considerably larger, so a backplate would make sense for some structural support.

The decision is somewhat random and baffling. The 6970 and 6950 DCII both do not have backplates, while the entire GF104 line from the GTX 580 all the way down to the GTX 560 Ti 448 have fairly robust backplates. The 7970 DCII is one of the few 7970s (if not the only one) with a full backplate.

I'm of the impression that every triple-slot should have a backplate.
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I'm not a big fan of the HD7000 series for the jacked up prices and fairly lack luster performance in the 28nm AMD cards. For the money that AMD is charging the cards should perform better IMO. To me AMD has used the launch of the HD7000 series strictly to make money while losing focus on putting out the best performing card for the money. Not nice.

And yet the 3GB GTX 580 is just as expensive as the 7970, despite the fact that the 28nm node is much more expensive due to high demand (TSMC is booked out) and lower yields than the more mature 40nm process. Not to mention the 7970 is a much better card anyway

Nice logic
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And yet the 3GB GTX 580 is just as expensive as the 7970, despite the fact that the 28nm node is much more expensive due to high demand (TSMC is booked out) and lower yields than the more mature 40nm process. Not to mention the 7970 is a much better card anyway
Nice logic

500 series is just about dead. If you want to see a great 500 series card that can perform and is a value look at GTX560ti448. They have been going for as low as $220 over the last few weeks.

The reason why NVIDIA is behind with the GTX600 series cards is because they have been focused on meeting all of their 28nm notebook vendor orders. I don't know the exact numbers at this point in time but I'm willing to bet that NVIDIA will soon flood the world with 28nm mobile gpus. Once this mass order of mobile 28nm gpus is done the prices and demand will get back to normal. Right now it's just a big rush to get the 28nm out for all the mobile notebooks.


I have no doubt that NVIDIA's 28nm video card is going to knock the AMD 79XX for a loop. It's not hard to see.
Edited by SonDa5 - 2/26/12 at 8:52pm
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500 series is just about dead. If you want to see a great 500 series card that can perform and is a value look at GTX560ti448. They have been going for under $200 over the last few weeks.

Actually the 560 Ti 448 hasn't hit below $220 so far AR and AC. The 560 Ti 384s have been below $200 fairly often (I believe there is/was a Zotac one floating around at $170).
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Regardless of this unfortunate mishap, is it just me, or do DirectCU models seem to run just as hot as regular models?
It's just you.

And cooling isn't the DCII's strong point (even though it does it better than reference), it's the quieter operation and the price on DCII cards is almost always lower than other brands, making it a fantastic deal!
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And yet the 3GB GTX 580 is just as expensive as the 7970, despite the fact that the 28nm node is much more expensive due to high demand (TSMC is booked out) and lower yields than the more mature 40nm process. Not to mention the 7970 is a much better card anyway
Nice logic
Ever wonder why the 580 cost 40% more than 570 while only being ~10% faster? Because it had no equivalent competition.

Now that the 7000 series are out I have no doubts that the nVidia will kill the price of GTX580 to fall in line with its performance, now that it finally has a competitor. sales will drop and the 3GB models should also see very few sales...unless the buyers are mindlessly loyal to nVidia...

It also appears the HD7970 has been priced according to GTX580, which I don't think was a very smart decision because GTX580 was already overpriced.
Edited by Tippy - 2/26/12 at 8:57pm
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Actually the 560 Ti 448 hasn't hit below $220 so far AR and AC. The 560 Ti 384s have been below $200 fairly often (I believe there is/was a Zotac one floating around at $170).

Thanks for the correction. That was the Galaxy GTX560ti 488 at newegg and I think it came with the Batman ARkham game. Smoking hot deal.
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500 series is just about dead. If you want to see a great 500 series card that can perform and is a value look at GTX560ti448. They have been going for as low as $220 over the last few weeks.
The reason why NVIDIA is behind with the GTX600 series cards is because they have been focused on meeting all of their 28nm notebook vendor orders. I don't know the exact numbers at this point in time but I'm willing to bet that NVIDIA will soon flood the world with 28nm mobile gpus. Once this mass order of mobile 28nm gpus is done the prices and demand will get back to normal. Right now it's just a big rush to get the 28nm out for all the mobile notebooks.
I have no doubt that NVIDIA's 28nm video card is going to knock the AMD 79XX for a loop. It's not hard to see.

Nothing in your post addressed what I said.

I don't care what nvidia are doing with notebooks and mobile GPUs. The GTX 580 3GB is at the same price point as the superior 7970, and you are claiming the 7970 is too expensive, despite the fact it is using more expensive tech and is a faster card. Nvidias pricing is a joke, not AMD's. How can you even be this blind? Its astounding

AMD have cards at lower price points as well so I dont even know why you brought up the 448 Ti. As for nvidias 28nm card blowing away 79xx, lets just see shall we? You're talking out of your ass.
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