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Always!! thumb.gif I just put it back into home case and am about to reinstall windows again. I did get a better bench after I formatted it in my other system, I fig that's normal though.....?
Is formatting an SSD in the RAID configuration bad? ( "Secure Erase" in the POST, CTRL+F)

Any RAID issues with one of the drives being in this state?
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Always!! thumb.gif I just put it back into home case and am about to reinstall windows again. I did get a better bench after I formatted it in my other system, I fig that's normal though.....?
What is the other rig? If it is Intel, Intel almost always gives better scores.
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Is formatting an SSD in the RAID configuration bad?
No, just do a quick format and not a full one.
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( "Secure Erase" in the POST, CTRL+F)
Secure Erase in Post? I never heard or seen that before, can you explain?

This is what a secure erase is:
  • Secure erase
    Secure erase is where the SSD controller issues the ATA Securiy Erase Unit command that applies a voltage spike at a specific voltage to all of the NAND simultaneously flushing the stored electrons from the flash memory cells, thus cleaning the NAND. This in turn resets all the NAND cells on the SSD and leaves the drive's data in an unrecoverable state and at factory speeds.
  • How to: Secure Erase Your SSD: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
    This is how to secure a SSD with parted magic. Hopefully this will help out people who have never done it before and can get a little boost in performance after a few months of heavy use.

    Secure Erase Guide:
    1. Download parted magic and make a bootable CD or USB: Parted Magic
    2. Once bootable load it and select option 1 (default settings)
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    3. Once booted, at the main screen got to Start > System Tools > Erase Disk
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    4. Now select the "Internal:Secure Erase command writes zeroes to entire data area" option which will write zeroes to your entire data area" option
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    5. Select the disk that you want to secure erase
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    6. If you get a message stating that your SSD drive is "frozen," click the Sleep button to put your PC to sleep, then wake up your system and start over from Step 3. If you don't get this message, move on to Step 7.
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    7. Some drives indicate that they have a password requirement. Leave the password as "NULL" and click OK.
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    8. Now a verify window will pop up, select "Yes" to continue.
      Note: If it prompts you to use the "enhanced" or "advanced" method do not use it, click no, it can write random data, and there is also the possibility that it may access parts of the drive that it shouldn't!
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    9. This shouldn't take long on your SSD, most likely only a few seconds. Now you are done.
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      Freeze Locked:
      Basically "Freeze Locking" your SSD will not let it be allowed to be Secure Erased. If the UEFI/BIOS recognizes the SSD as plugged in at boot up then it will lock it. If you plug in the SSD after the computer is on then it will not be locked and it should be able to be Secure Erased normally.

      1. If your SSD is being "Freeze Locked" or not showing up then try this:
        You will get an option to put the PC to sleep, try that first then try to Secure Erase again
      2. If that still does not work:
        When you put the PC into sleep mode make sure you have any USB devices unplugged from the system and the Parted Magic USB/Live CD as well.
      3. If that doesn't work try below on top of the other suggestions:
        1. Reboot
        2. Enable AHCI mode in the UEFI/BIOS and "hot swap" on the SATA ports
        3. Save & exit
        4. Turn off the computer
        5. Unplug EVERYTHING on your SATA ports except for your CD/DVD drive
        6. Turn on and boot to Parted Magic
        7. When in the main GUI plug your SSD into a normal SATA 2 port

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Any RAID issues with one of the drives being in this state?
What state?
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I reinstalled windows on 1G caviar Blk and used my CHV system for the most part. I than put 1 Vertex3 in an older box, m4a77td (nice solid board!) after a second time around installing windows I got this, (still doing driver updates and tweaks......)501
and the other I cloned my laptop on.....what a differenece! But I think a format and a fresh install would be more appropriate...! ?501501
These benchmarks ore not even close to the specs they boast about! My C300's 64G are scoring better!

"Secure Erase"....
during the post you get the option of entering the RAID utility, CTRL+F... this is where you can format and join drives, select raid type, block size... not sure what exactly its called.
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1. Laptops limit performance of SSDs.

2. Your alignment is slightly odd on the one shown on the laptop.

3. You are on SATA 2 on both tests.

4. AMD SATA controllers suck.

5. Vertex 3's suck.

6. I had no idea you could format RAID arrays in the RAID menu. But that still doesn't tell me what tha tsecure erase thing is nor why it should matter at all.
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1. the drive that was in the laptop scored a 5.1 on WEI, never benched it, the crappyVertex3 got 7.4, so I think I got a performance boost there.... feels a lot faster and the boot time is much quicker, haven't had much time to play with it. It was cloned from a platter drive.

2. what exactly are those numbers anyway?

3. How can you tell they're on SATAII, because they're just under the 275 mark? The m4a77td is a SATAII board, this system really runs nice.
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Its a leftover parts box, going to set it up as my firewall\server\streamer box, it.... great schooler box!! (learning virtual and server 08 this term, firewalls next term)

4. AMD SATA controllers suck, ....so I am learning!!

5. Vertex 3's suck, this too I am learning, very disappointed!! (now I know why they went on sale so cheap!!)

6. Its in a submenu at the bottom in the RAID menu when you select the drives.

I really appreciate the assistance, much I have learned!
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2. Just the offset before your partition so everything runs smoothly. If aligned improperly it can cause performance issues.

3. Yes.
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1. Laptops limit performance of SSDs.
2. Your alignment is slightly odd on the one shown on the laptop.
3. You are on SATA 2 on both tests.
4. AMD SATA controllers suck.
5. Vertex 3's suck.
6. I had no idea you could format RAID arrays in the RAID menu. But that still doesn't tell me what tha tsecure erase thing is nor why it should matter at all.


Sorry for the epic resurrect, but this is relavent as Vertex 3s are now sub $100.

5. Vertex 3's suck.
This statement is absolute garbage. Vertex 3 is a great SSD as it was when it came out. Sure, there are faster SSDs available now, but this model certainly does not "suck".



Vertex 3s are great so longs as you're not using a marvell SATA controller. Here's the results I got yesterday with an intel controller (on system in my sig). ~ 1 GB/s read write on a 2012 reasonably performance oriented consumer computer does not "suck" no matter how you slice it. In fact, I believe this performance is excellent.

Hope this helps the OP
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