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Sorry, thought you posted the same screen as the last guy. In any event, Leap A required user interaction, still not a virus, and only affected systems running 10.4

You said there were no viruses for OS X. Correct me if I am wrong but 10.4 is OS X isn't it? rolleyes.gif

I also thought I made the part where it said it is malware as well as a virus bold.
    
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You said there were no viruses for OS X. Correct me if I am wrong but 10.4 is OS X isn't it? rolleyes.gif
I also thought I made the part where it said it is malware as well as a virus bold.

If it requires user interaction to deploy, hence not a "virus." It's a worm. A virus does not need any interaction on behalf of the user. Just because it uses the common terminology of "virus", doesn't mean it's an actual virus. Look how many people in this thread are calling the Trojan that the thread is about a "virus." This would fit under "malware," not "virus."
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The Leap worm is delivered over the iChat instant messaging program as a gzip-compressed tar file called latestpics.tgz. For the worm to take effect, the user must manually invoke it by opening the tar file and then running the disguised executable within.
The executable is disguised with the standard icon of an image file, and claims to show a preview of Apple's next OS. Once it is run, the virus will attempt to infect the system.
For non-"admin" users, it will prompt for the computer's administrator password in order to gain the privilege to edit the system configuration. It doesn't infect applications on disk, but rather when they are loaded, by using a system facility called "apphook".
Leap only infects Cocoa applications, and it does not infect applications owned by the system (including the apps that come pre-installed on a new machine), but only apps owned by the user who is currently logged in. Typically, that means apps that the current user has installed by drag-and-drop, rather than by Apple's installer system. When an infected app is launched, Leap tries to infect the four most recently used applications. If those four don't meet the above criteria, then no further infection takes place at that time.
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Your argument that trojans/backdoors are not viruses is merely semantics - infection is infection.
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An 18-wheeler is a car. Arguing over it is just semantics. A vehicle is a vehicle.

Your ignorance on the extremely dangerous variant known as a Virus compared to a mild threat such as a Trojan is astounding. It's normal for a Trojan to keylog and backdoor your system. That's why they're called Trojans...
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Any infection regardless of type is damaging. That being said, vulnerabilities exist in any OS platform. In the past the double natural barrier of a different platform and small market share served as a sufficient malware shield. The most important question all of us should be asking however, is how will Apple deal with this if it proves to be a genuine issue as opposed to standard over-hyped Apple hatred.

PS
Ultimately any OS falls victim to basic user stupidity.
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An 18-wheeler is a car. Arguing over it is just semantics. A vehicle is a vehicle.
Your ignorance on the extremely dangerous variant known as a Virus compared to a mild threat such as a Trojan is astounding. It's normal for a Trojan to keylog and backdoor your system. That's why they're called Trojans...

And yet you get "Anti Virus" programs that protect against "Trojans".
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Any software can be exploited. To think otherwise is naive.

PoopaScoopa is the same guy who thinks software engineering is an easy job that requires no technical knowledge.
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And yet you get "Anti Virus" programs that protect against "Trojans".

There is how techies perceive trojans, viruses, worms, and bots and then there is how the public perceives them, which is all lumped into virus, or more plainly, bad computer stuff. tongue.gif
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An 18-wheeler is a car. Arguing over it is just semantics. A vehicle is a vehicle.
Your ignorance on the extremely dangerous variant known as a Virus compared to a mild threat such as a Trojan is astounding. It's normal for a Trojan to keylog and backdoor your system. That's why they're called Trojans...

Excuse me?

I am by no means, 'ignorant' and, to suggest such is quite frankly both insulting and demeaning.

Your 18-wheeler analogy does not work.

If you believe trojans and worms to be a mild threat, then we clearly have nothing further to discuss.

Ever heard of W32-Nimda?

No? Thought not.

It took down a 300-machine network and 6 NT4 load-balanced servers. in under 15 minutes on an ISDN line

Pretty mild really... eh?
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I don't have anti-virus at all. I don't even have MSE... I couldn't get a virus if I tried. I haven't had a Virus since that Windows Reboot worm from around 2003-2004.

Cool, me too ! Maybe we should create a club for this... biggrin.gif
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Excuse me?
I am by no means, 'ignorant' and, to suggest such is quite frankly both insulting and demeaning.
Your 18-wheeler analogy does not work.
If you believe trojans and worms to be a mild threat, then we clearly have nothing further to discuss.

So that's how you justify your ignorance? Inserting words in to other people's posts that they didn't write? I'm sorry you're incapable of comprehending why a Trojan is not a Virus but hopefully someday you'll learn. Sending a Trojan to another user via P2P does nothing to their system unless they choose to manually open it and give it permissions to run.
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