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post #21 of 33
2/26/12 at 6:54am
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LOL, why is it every Sandforce owner (except me) gets all butt-hurt when anybody says anything negative and true about their drive?
It's great that YOU have had no problems but please don't try to tell informed people otherwise based on YOUR experience.
This is news that was released along with the 520 a few weeks ago THIS YEAR.
Source.

hey, im not butt hurt. tongue.gif
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2/26/12 at 7:07am
If you wan't a Sandforce drive suck it up and buy a 520, otherwise pick up an M4.

The M4 is the best bang for buck drive and the one most OCN users seem to be using right now.

Also you don't need a transfer kit as your far better off with a fresh install of windows when you get your drive.
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2/26/12 at 7:29am
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It's great that YOU have had no problems but please don't try to tell informed people otherwise based on YOUR experience.

It's bad that YOU have had problems but please don't try to tell informed people otherwise based on YOUR experience.

See how that works...



To OP: My opinion is get the cheapest one per GB, as you'll probably won't be able to tell the difference.
But it's a well known fact that Sandforce drives with synchronized/toggle flash are the faster drives you can buy, whatever Sean and/or mcg75 will tell you.
But the main reason to go Sandforce is because it's a more advanced controller, meaning it writes less to the NAND, so your drive will last longer.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-520-sandforce-review-benchmark,3124-11.html
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2/26/12 at 8:02am
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It's bad that YOU have had problems but please don't try to tell informed people otherwise based on YOUR experience.
See how that works...

Doesn't work at all Johnny boy. The thing is I'm not basing my opinion on my experience. I'm basing it on feedback from the OCZ, Corsair forums as well as Anand's article. I guess your statement can go in the trash where it belongs.
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To OP: My opinion is get the cheapest one per GB, as you'll probably won't be able to tell the difference.
But it's a well known fact that Sandforce drives with synchronized/toggle flash are the faster drives you can buy, whatever Sean and/or mcg75 will tell you.
But the main reason to go Sandforce is because it's a more advanced controller, meaning it writes less to the NAND, so your drive will last longer.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-520-sandforce-review-benchmark,3124-11.html

This statement is true. However, the Intel 520 would be the only Sandforce drive to consider given that it runs Sandforce fimrware validated by Intel.
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2/26/12 at 8:24am
To the OP:

Please keep in mind when making your decision that some people on here such as myself and Sean will not recommend certain drives because we know there is even just a small chance of them causing you an issue.

Sandforce has worked out a lot of bugs in regards to 2281 controller firmware. But as Anand has said, some minor issues still remain. The fact of the matter is this. If you run into the same bsod issue that Anand's staffer did on his computer, there currently is no fix available. I cannot in good conscience recommend something that could cause an issue for you even when the chances might be as small as 5%. Some others here don't seem to care what happens to you as long as you pick what they recommend. After all, it won't be them trying to rma or searching the ssd makers forum hoping for an answer.
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post #26 of 33
2/26/12 at 8:31am
Crucial M4: Issues almost nonexistent and very quickly resolved when one did come up (5000 hour bug).

SF-22XX drives: User reviews replete with BSOD complaints and other issues and multiple firmware updates have failed to eliminate them completely.

So what would be the reason to go for the SF when the M4 is available for a really good price? confused.gif
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2/26/12 at 1:22pm
Going to thoroughly putting a Intel 520 Series 120GB through the paces coming tomorrow, when it finally gets delivered to me. Really hoping the Intel's Sandforce firmware reliability holds true.. I was about to pull the trigger on a M4, then I saw a killer deal on the 520 Series 120GB Intel. Going to be my first experience with an SSD. Goodtimes!
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2/26/12 at 3:51pm
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Doesn't work at all Johnny boy. The thing is I'm not basing my opinion on my experience. I'm basing it on feedback from the OCZ, Corsair forums as well as Anand's article. I guess your statement can go in the trash where it belongs.

This is what they call in my country ''a child's logic'. Because you've spent time on support forums, and people report problems, Sandforce drives are still bad. Except Intel 520 drives, they are safe, because Intel has validated them!! And YOU can guarantee to someone he will NEVER have SSD related problems. Also, you can never go wrong with an M4, mcg has said so!!
Way to go my boy!!


Truth is (at least to my knowledge), no SSD maker can claim 100% reliability. Sandforce, Intel, Crucial and Samsung have all had firmware related problems at some point. Even Crucial had problems with the C300 launch, or when the M4 had passed 5000 hours powered on, it would blue screen every half hour. That was the super reliability mcg recommended. Actually it was BS as the computer was unusable until a new firmware release. Luckily, it came out quick enough.

Bottom line, firmware, like any software has bugs, and you can never be 100% sure, especially when it's new. And even a new release can mess things up!
Unlike some people, I've never bothered recommending anything, other than getting the cheapest per GB. And with this post, I'm done arguing on the SSD forum. Waste of time.
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2/26/12 at 3:59pm
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Doesn't work at all Johnny boy. The thing is I'm not basing my opinion on my experience. I'm basing it on feedback from the OCZ, Corsair forums as well as Anand's article. I guess your statement can go in the trash where it belongs.

This is what they call in my country ''a child's logic'. Because you've spent time on support forums, and people report problems, Sandforce drives are still bad. Except Intel 520 drives, they are safe, because Intel has validated them!! And YOU can guarantee to someone he will NEVER have SSD related problems. Also, you can never go wrong with an M4, mcg has said so!!
Way to go my boy!!


Truth is (at least to my knowledge), no SSD maker can claim 100% reliability. Sandforce, Intel, Crucial and Samsung have all had firmware related problems at some point. Even Crucial had problems with the C300 launch, or when the M4 had passed 5000 hours powered on, it would blue screen every half hour. That was the super reliability mcg recommended. Actually it was BS as the computer was unusable until a new firmware release. Luckily, it came out quick enough.
The reboot would happen every hour....
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Correct a condition where an incorrect response to a SMART counter will cause the m4 drive to become unresponsive after 5184 hours of Power-on time. The drive will recover after a power cycle, however, this failure will repeat once per hour after reaching this point. The condition will allow the end user to successfully update firmware, and poses no risk to user or system data stored on the drive.

...how long did it take for SandForce to get out a semi stable firmware to the people who had issues? it took Crucial a month, SandForce over 6 months and the firmware is still bugged for some. XD LOL

With reliability there is product support, SandForce is lacking atm. It is a good thing LSI bought them and Intel is working on adjusted firmware that is for sure.
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Bottom line, firmware, like any software has bugs, and you can never be 100% sure, especially when it's new. And even a new release can mess things up!
Unlike some people, I've never bothered recommending anything, other than getting the cheapest per GB. And with this post, I'm done arguing on the SSD forum. Waste of time.
Don't go, this is not an argument, it is a discussion. frown.gif
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