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I've finally put together my C2 3930k, 16 gb ddr3 2133 gskills, on a ASRock Extreme6. To save some money I recycled my Thermalright Ultra 120 extreme cooler in a push pull config that was doing a great job cooling my Q9650 at 4.05 ghz at 65C under full load.

I have reseated and reapplied Artic Silver TIM 5 times (vertical line 1 mm in thickness as in the AS5 instructions), but I still get 38-40c on idle. Ran Prime 95 for 10 minutes and temps were 50-55. I wanted to give overclocking a shot and pushed it to 4 ghz, 1.34 vcore. The temps shot to 90C at bootup. Worried, I immediately shut down the system to avoid damage. The system refused to load windows after that. Don't know why but after multiple bios resets and clearing the cmos I managed to get it to boot again. I thought I had damaged the CPU back there.

So what could be happening? Is my TIM incorrectly applied..... maybe the single vertical line Artic Silver mentions does not work on a 6 core, or is the TRUE 120 cooler just not enough to cool a Sandy Bridge E?
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post #3 of 31
The die is huge, and the line in the middle won't cut it. You need to put some paste on the cpu, press the heatsink down, then pull it back up to see what gaps are left untouched by the paste pressing. Start applying paste in an X and + shape on the cpu.

After checking the cpu and heatsink for gaps, add a couple small dabs of paste to the open area of the die. then reseat the heatsink. Everyone has there own way of putting the paste on, but this way works for me.

If this doesn't work, then the IHS is uneven ( needs lapping or RMA ) or the contact of the cpu die and IHS is even inside the cpu.
    
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post #4 of 31
That cooler doesn't list compatibility for the x79 socket. Are you sure it is making good contact? I would imagine it isn't.
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post #5 of 31
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So you think the idle temps are abnormal, just not that the cooler is sub par then.

I sure hope don't have to go through another RMA on account of an uneven heatsink. I just swapped my C-1 stepping unit for a C-2 after a great deal of haggling with support, I do not look forward doing that again. However the 'X' and '+' pattern TIM application is a good idea, as is your suggestion of applying the paste and removing it to look at the contact made.

I just put everything in the case. I'll have to pull it out next weekend and try.

What are the typical idle temps with low end air coolers on the 3930k, any idea?
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post #6 of 31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aesthetics1 View Post

That cooler doesn't list compatibility for the x79 socket. Are you sure it is making good contact? I would imagine it isn't.

Like MrTOOSHORT suggested, I doubt it is making a 100% contact. I will need to tear it down again next weekend. I just spent an entire day putting it all together. Gah!
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post #7 of 31
You have a $600 processor. Please cool it with something better....
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post #8 of 31
Quote:
Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

You have a $600 processor. Please cool it with something better....

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post #9 of 31
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Agreed.

A Corsair H100 is on the wish list, but having spent over almost a $1000 just on the processor, board and memory, and not selling off my socket 775 setup, I have been trying to maintain some fiscal discipline, and marital accord, and am trying to take a phased approach. Even my 750W PSU barely meets the power requirements of my current setup.
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post #10 of 31
Your PSU wattage is more then sufficient for your setup with moderate-high overclocks on CPU and Graphics cards.

The H100 would work out well for you.
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