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Unacceptable! I've never bought an Apple product in my life. It will stay that way.
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I'm not really sure if you're serious. So, Oil Companies, who are in corroboration with destroying countries (which entails murdering people) so they can obtain oil, is worse than Apple?
And you do realize that there are worse working conditions than the Foxconn factories and that more than just Apple uses Foxconn, right? In fact, I guarantee your motherboard has Foxconn parts on it, probably even assembled by Foxconn. So you're supporting the company that hired Foxconn. Doesn't that make them, and you, just as bad? Just a question.

While true. There are something we can't help but support indirectly. It is near impossible to find a modern day computer that foxconn has not played a role in. And in a society where we are dependent on computers as oppose to the past, It makes it hard not to purchase a product that they are involved in. But Apple does have control over what direct MFGs it goes to.

Now I'm not saying Apple is the only one to blame. But they are one of the biggest player if not the biggest in the tech industry right now. Their choices can and will affect the industry. Look at firewire. Of course its not as big now as it was before but they got that to be a standard on platforms they don't even support. They are one of the main forces behind HTML5 and the movement away from flash.

It's no different than a celebrity. Because they are famous, they are held to a higher standard. Now if that's fair or not can be argued. When a celebrity does something (drugs, sex tapes, etc) it is big news even though they are no where near the first and no where near the last to do so.
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Unacceptable! I've never bought an Apple product in my life. It will stay that way.

I'm pretty sure Foxconn makes more than just Apple products, I bought and EVGA motherboard and the cpu socket had a foxconn stamp on it. They aren't the only company like this. It's easier to just blame Apple and pretend other products aren't made in the same conditions.
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I'm pretty sure Foxconn makes more than just Apple products, I bought and EVGA motherboard and the cpu socket had a foxconn stamp on it. They aren't the only company like this. It's easier to just blame Apple and pretend other products aren't made in the same conditions.

Dude, I'm at University and work in a supermarket part-time putting whines and beers in the shelf and my pay is 6x more than these people!
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Dude, I'm at University and work in a supermarket part-time putting whines and beers in the shelf and my pay is 6x more than these people!

You don't quite understand what I wrote.

I agree the working conditions are poor my point is that you are not making any self righteous statement by not buying Apple products when 99% of the tech stuff you own is probably made in the same conditions (or worse) if not by Foxconn itself.
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I understand what you're saying but I don't see why it's so hard to make life a little better for these people. They aren't drones, they are people.

They do simple things like play music in the background, or switch them to different stations to vary work up a bit.
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I'm pretty sure Foxconn makes more than just Apple products, I bought and EVGA motherboard and the cpu socket had a foxconn stamp on it. They aren't the only company like this. It's easier to just blame Apple and pretend other products aren't made in the same conditions.

Yep. A lot of people's rigs have at least some parts that were made by Foxconn themselves.
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I understand what you're saying but I don't see why it's so hard to make life a little better for these people. They aren't drones, they are people.
They do simple things like play music in the background, or switch them to different stations to vary work up a bit.

We have labor laws in the US and various nations of the EU to protect us. They do not to the level that we have. That is not to say they don't. They just aren't as strict or enforced as other places. In the US we have a nation wide minimum wage. Its at 7.50 I believe. After taxes that probably gets bumped down closer to 6 and a bit of change.
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Cost of living! Cost of living! Un-educated VS educated! Un-trained VS trained!


$2 may be low pay (Well it is), but it is better than nothing and add in what it actually cost them to live and it's not that far off from someone in the US making $7.50 an hour. In-fact, in my area it's impossible to live off $7.50 after cost of living without fed/state assistance...

Remember, a-lot of the people working for Foxcon are young un-educated/un-trained adults in an over populated country. When I first started out working, I made around $6.00 and I was happy, because it was better than nothing. And last year I made an average of $200-$240 an hour as a developer/engineer...

Some people are acting like China does not have high paying jobs! Well guess what < they do!

Some people are acting like the US does not have low paying jobs! Guess what < they do!

Guess no one heard of temp angencies and migrant farm workers and the average fast food worker (Like fries with that?).

In time things will change and that factory in China may die or shift to another country with lower cost of operation in mind (Then what?)....

Finally! Anyone who thinks an American worker is going to get anything more than $8 - $12 to the same job that some of these Chinese are doing in the Foxcon factory < is crazy.
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While true. There are something we can't help but support indirectly. It is near impossible to find a modern day computer that foxconn has not played a role in. And in a society where we are dependent on computers as oppose to the past, It makes it hard not to purchase a product that they are involved in. But Apple does have control over what direct MFGs it goes to.
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It's no different than a celebrity. Because they are famous, they are held to a higher standard. Now if that's fair or not can be argued. When a celebrity does something (drugs, sex tapes, etc) it is big news even though they are no where near the first and no where near the last to do so.


I understand what you're saying, and I agree that it's because of Apple's dominance in brand recognition, however, that's not an excuse for mob-mentality. The whole Anti-Apple mentality on this site (and others) only stifles legitimate, logical discussion. Believe me, I don't think Apple is better than anyone else that uses Foxconn, nor am I defending Apple's use of Foxconn.

I'm just saying, to thrust all of the anger about Foxconn solely at Apple is childish.

Never the less, you have raised some very valid points and for that I appreciate someone who can look past the all of the hate and rationalize the real problem.
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