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That's a horrible thing to say. Pesonally I feel that facebook is a great way to keep track of what's going on with you friends. There's nothing wrong with being open with your personal life either, and the trend to look down on people who use social networking as if they're drones is just an ugly and disgusting trend anong the "tech" community.
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Sometimes the truth is uncomfortable to people.

There is plenty wrong with being open to the entire world. It will come back to haunt you. I personally have tossed resumes in the round file due to information found on those candidates online. The way people conduct themselves on social networking sites is a strong indicator of how they conduct themselves in real life. I'm just glad you guys are making it that much easier to weed out the bad future employees. Keep it up!

(and to me, most of the drones using those sites are ugly and disgusting...)
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Sometimes the truth is uncomfortable to people.
There is plenty wrong with being open to the entire world. It will come back to haunt you. I personally have tossed resumes in the round file due to information found on those candidates online. The way people conduct themselves on social networking sites is a strong indicator of how they conduct themselves in real life. I'm just glad you guys are making it that much easier to weed out the bad future employees. Keep it up!
(and to me, most of the drones using those sites are ugly and disgusting...)

So many people on these sites are too young to even understand what that means.

It may as well be in their police records. Bottom line - the world is not an understanding, compassionate place. You don't need to live by the cloak and dagger, but it is practical wisdom to minimize the amount of information you share about yourself in broad channels like the internet. Even with individuals, it is better to save candid conversation for very close friends. That is, unless you wish to constantly butt heads with the world.

Privacy measures go a long way I suppose, but we've seen how hallowed that ground is. And data is persistent, I don't care what they say.
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So many people on these sites are too young to even understand what that means.
It may as well be in their police records. Bottom line - the world is not an understanding, compassionate place. You don't need to live by the cloak and dagger, but it is practical wisdom to minimize the amount of information you share about yourself in broad channels like the internet. Even with individuals, it is better to save candid conversation for very close friends. That is, unless you wish to constantly butt heads with the world.
Privacy measures go a long way I suppose, but we've seen how hallowed that ground is. And data is persistent, I don't care what they say.

Well said. It's been said many times "Do not put anything online you wouldn't want everyone in a crowded theatre to see." (OK I modified it with the theatre) Young people (and a few older ones) just don't get it.

Right now information is power and money and once it is out there, there is nothing you can do about it. Until people get a basic understanding of this concept, companies like facebook will exploit that data for power and money and when they are done, you are left standing in Times Square with your skivvies around your ankles for the world to laugh at.
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Privacy measures go a long way I suppose, but we've seen how hallowed that ground is. And data is persistent, I don't care what they say.
Or even 'hollowed' ground in this case. wha-smiley.png

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I've sworn against FB and the like for exactly this, and other, reason(s).

Here's what I don't understand:
People have railed against intrusive gov't for years and decades and centuries.

If the cops, fbi or any other agency showed up to your door, let themselves in, read thru all your journals, noted all your book titles, went thru your fridge, copied all your receipts, violated the sanctity of your computer(s), installed microphones and cameras in every room and your workplace and car, followed you around and met you at your destination before you get there with same recording decvices, builtmaintained and analyzed psychological profiles of you and everyone you come in contact with then sold all that for their own gain, people would blow a gasket! That's a Tom Jefferson/civil war initiating kind of situation here in the States. Right?

But some nobody chump makes a website dedicated to you voluntarily giving them every moment and detail of your daily and historical life (which is now charted by the FB timeilne or whatever it's called) and people just gob all the info they can at them -presumably with full knowledge that ALL that info is being processed, personal profiles are being built, analyzed and SOLD to any and all who give them a dollar. What do you get in return? The ease of sharing intimate details with many friends and family at once, that you should otherwise call or write personally anyway?

At least with the US govt, you 'know' that while the FBI likely has a file on every last one of us from birth until decades after our death, no matter how 'innocent' and 'normal' a citizen you are, they aren't selling the data with specific purpose to make money off you and what they know about you.

Nevermind the advertisers that now deliberately 'target' and barrage us every moment of every day of our lives with all the data being given to them. Anyone catch Colbert's rant on Target stores last week? Hideous corporate behavior.

With the new google rules coming into force next week, I've gone back to metacrawler for searching and am looking for a decent alternative to youtube. I utterly resent the fact that google's new policies state that if you don't want them to know about you, don't use their services. Too bad I'm locked into a multi-year contract with my android phone, huh? Too bad I started youtube years before they were bought by google and I have over 1,000 vids invested in that endeavor, huh? Choose not to use? I have NO choice whatsoever.

The cruddy thing is that, recently a former co-worker was telling me that our mutual buddies post job requests to fb for the company they're working at looking for people -and I'm missing out on those job opps b/c I have not, and hate the notion of, giving my soul to Zuckerhead whose sole purpose and his toadies is to make hundreds of billions of dollars off of me and my loved ones!

And now, having expressed all that, notes are being taken, sides are being drawn, profiles being made and prejudices enforced for and against me.

In the 'old days', you could move to another town, start a 'new' life and thrive or fail on your own merits. Freedom is a rotting corpse.

One other thing, if corporations are people, how is that these 'people' are allowed to buy, sell and kill their fellow kind? Youtube was it's own 'person' until google bought them. That's kind of what slavery is all about, right? Owning another person's life? and they won't be sated until all our real human lives are fully owned, indexed, categorized and profited by.
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That's a horrible thing to say. Pesonally I feel that facebook is a great way to keep track of what's going on with you friends. There's nothing wrong with being open with your personal life either, and the trend to look down on people who use social networking as if they're drones is just an ugly and disgusting trend anong the "tech" community.
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Well you and I either have differen levels of openness or you're actually ok with sharing your entire life for the world to gawk at and take advantage.

I've read/seen some really nasty things on facebook, some of young teens who think it's actually acceptable to post images flashing waaaay too much skin, and others of middleaged women discussing how they can't wait to play with their "toys" later that night (witholding alot of detail here, lol)

Now I hope that's not what you'd call an acceptable level of openness. If it is, then good luck to you. Get used to these stories buddy cos it won't be the last.

People just don't understand that if anything, the internet is a much dangerous place to share sensitive infomation.


Slightly off topic, but i just read an interesting article related to Facebook:

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/story.html?id=ac06eaac-1cb1-4ee7-8e17-a9b8b314af71

Well, my point wasn't that the Internet isn't an ugly place. Because in A lot of ways it really is, all I'm saying that the services provided by these websites are great for general communication and such. Besides, My policy is adding people who are actually my friends. I know I sound naive, but I really do believe that greater communication lets society understand itself better, even if the reality is as ugly asyou make it out to be.


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Facebook is pretty good, and guess what I don't even have a real profile, just some crazy string of letters.

It is an employers dream to check to see if your employees or job applicants are mad dudes who call in sick on Mondays because of hangovers.

Just imagine how much the NSA, E4, CIA etc. use facebook to enhance the whole Echelon system with up to date pictures of most of the people they are care about.
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Wow...

Youtube has camera permissions
Youtube has internet permissions
YOUTUBE MUST BE REMOTELY SPYING ON YOU AT ANY TIME

What? Upload recorded videos? That's crazy.
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I got rid of my Facebook about a year ago due to reports of this effect, although that probably wasn't soon enough. I feel sorry for the people that are oblivious to how available their personal information is through the site.
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Lawl, maybe ol' Mark and the people at facebook have seen my nads. Makes that picture so much sweeter.
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Too bad I'm locked into a multi-year contract with my android phone, huh? Too bad I started youtube years before they were bought by google and I have over 1,000 vids invested in that endeavor, huh? Choose not to use? I have NO choice whatsoever.

First, I'm totally with you. But, second:

Breaking your cell contract and cancelling your Youtube account won't end your life, it is all about your investment versus your willingness to make a principled statement. Probably the same situation most people are in regarding unfairness or change. People on sites like this typically understand the risks and understand the kinds of things that are happening with data and personal identity. Most people don't even see the dangers, never are overtly affected, and think caring about privacy is alarmist.

My point simply being - choice is the only thing you DO have.
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