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i think you're missing the point mate... you need to really know how to set up your own box before you start messing around with
the kind of software we're running... and believe me... we know its solid within 1 week of running the kind of mixes and or projects
we have going already...
i've done my research well ahead of time and have been down this hallway several times... prime95 is an unrealistic torture chamber..
and like you said... I will probably never reach those levels with my own software... so its a bit of a moot point to push it to those levels
now isnt it!??? considering i'm already running the top of the line, industry standard HD Audio Editing software...
i mean i see people running the damn thing for a week!! *** for!! and then they pull up their hardcore game with touches maybe 50% of
their machines capabilities on the weekend... i really cannot see what the point of killing your hardware is... these machines, while a great
deal, still are no chump change... i spend my money on great hardware, so it will last me 8 years +///...
at the end of the day... benchmark racing is for noobs... the pro's are out there working... on their more than capable machines...
i dont know many people in their right mind who would go out and purchase a brand new Corvette and just to make sure their fancy supercharger
works properly would take it out to Nurburgring for a week of 24/7 all out racing!!!
its extremely naieve to think you' will ever put it through that kind of
torture while driving to and from work... hell your gearbox will probably give out long before your engine ever actually sees that much use...
dont sell yourself short Dtolios... XFX is a high quality PSU manufacturer.. i did not even know they existed... only knew how much power i would need for my hardware/software needs... my local supplier is the one that pulled it off the shelf for me as I was picking up my new DAW rig, it has been absolutely solid for the past 5 months!! and believe me i've been putting it through the grind...

I think you missed my point, mate.

Yes P95 is unrealistically strenuous on the computer, that's the point. If the computer can run stable under such massive stress, then it's a fair to assume it will have no problems in day to day work.

You put it under excessive stress so that you know a lesser task won't cause a problem.

Or to use your car analogy, if the car runs fine racing round the Nurburgring, then in all liklihood the morning commute or trip to the shops won't be an issue.

If you feel like P95 is excessive then don't use it, at least if you BSOD while running P95 then it doesn't matter. If you do choose to not use P95, then don't come complaining if you get a BSOD in the middle of a big edit. thumb.gif
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I think you missed my point, mate.
Yes P95 is unrealistically strenuous on the computer, that's the point. If the computer can run stable under such massive stress, then it's a fair to assume it will have no problems in day to day work.
You put it under excessive stress so that you know a lesser task won't cause a problem.
Or to use your car analogy, if the car runs fine racing round the Nurburgring, then in all liklihood the morning commute or trip to the shops won't be an issue.
If you feel like P95 is excessive then don't use it, at least if you BSOD while running P95 then it doesn't matter. If you do choose to not use P95, then don't come complaining if you get a BSOD in the middle of a big edit. thumb.gif

Amen to that!
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Just keep in mind that higher efficiency means that you will be able to save money on electricity bill and the initially high price will give you a reduced cost on the long run. Just something to think about when going for a quality PSU.
The conversation is getting derailed a bit, but we are talking differences that are ridiculous after one point: 80+ silver = 88% efficient, while 80+ Gold = 90% efficient under 50% load (which is the ballpark of what my system would draw under full load for both O/Ced CPU and a pretty beefy GPU like the one I had out of a 800-850W PSU - now that is an extreme scenario, and even folding that does utilize both CPU/GPU doesn't really stress the components as much as the actual stress tests).

Assuming a 400W wall load, you are wasting 8W more with the 80+ Silver, over using the 80+ Gold.
8W/h -> you need 5.2 days working the PC 24/7 to get 1KW/h difference, or 68 KW/h a year.

In SoCal where I live, 1KWh = $0.20 (or less) for residential use. That gives us an added expense of around $13.5/year, for a PC that runs 24/7.

The cheapest 80+ Gold 850W (if you get a smaller one, you will be getting more % load, and technically a 550-600W 80+ gold might end up having the same wall draw as a 850W 80+ silver) was around $50-60 more expensive than the XFX Pro850 XXX I got - That means that I will barely break even with electricity bills over the span of 5 years, given I run my PC 24/7 under full load. Should I run my PC 5 days a week or 8H a day, and the PSU will probably never make the extra money invested back. - That is for a SoCal user. It is different in Hawaii where electricity is 3+ times more expensive, and it is different in Europe where also energy is in general more expensive for the end-users, but again: we are talking 8W...that is less than what 2x silent 120mm fans use - and what a high performance 120/140 might be drawing alone...

Do not knit-pick on power consumption. Most of the times you lose the forest to find a tree.
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I think you missed my point, mate.
Yes P95 is unrealistically strenuous on the computer, that's the point. If the computer can run stable under such massive stress, then it's a fair to assume it will have no problems in day to day work.
You put it under excessive stress so that you know a lesser task won't cause a problem.
Or to use your car analogy, if the car runs fine racing round the Nurburgring, then in all liklihood the morning commute or trip to the shops won't be an issue.
If you feel like P95 is excessive then don't use it, at least if you BSOD while running P95 then it doesn't matter. If you do choose to not use P95, then don't come complaining if you get a BSOD in the middle of a big edit. thumb.gif

Leave him alone, he'll leave and go make his dubstep in PRO TOOLS HD rather than post. I've run pro tools plenty of times, I don't like how it relies on proprietary hardware interfaces personally. I know it barely taxes the machine. Keeping midi clocks in sync isn't that hard and is affected by different kinds of latency. Most of the audio overhead is handled by the ASIO driver and device.

I run Reaper, Reason, Ableton, Traktor, and 2 ASIO devices off a single i5 laptop with 8 gigs of ram (granted it all takes clock commands from my MC-808, but that's trivial) and it barely breaks a sweat. The only time I have any issues with performance is when I'm running a ridiculous amount of VSTs. I've seen plenty of studio PCs crash, and every single solitary time it was due to something funky we were doing with our ASIO configs.

The multi-threaded workload (pay attention to that term it will be on the test) from an audio production station is almost none. It has one maybe 2 threads putting sequential information into memory and accessing it rarely. A program like prime puts as much data in and out of memory as the amount of threads you selected can, and reads it back randomly. I only take the time to mention this because I don't want someone to come across your posts and think you have a ******* clue what you're talking about.

Sorry to rant, but I'm sick of seeing your posts bragging about how you know how to use ProTools, so you're an overclocking god.
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Leave him alone, he'll leave and go make his dubstep in PRO TOOLS HD rather than post. I've run pro tools plenty of times, I don't like how it relies on proprietary hardware interfaces personally. I know it barely taxes the machine. Keeping midi clocks in sync isn't that hard and is affected by different kinds of latency. Most of the audio overhead is handled by the ASIO driver and device.
I run Reaper, Reason, Ableton, Traktor, and 2 ASIO devices off a single i5 laptop with 8 gigs of ram (granted it all takes clock commands from my MC-808, but that's trivial) and it barely breaks a sweat. The only time I have any issues with performance is when I'm running a ridiculous amount of VSTs. I've seen plenty of studio PCs crash, and every single solitary time it was due to something funky we were doing with our ASIO configs.
The multi-threaded workload (pay attention to that term it will be on the test) from an audio production station is almost none. It has one maybe 2 threads putting sequential information into memory and accessing it rarely. A program like prime puts as much data in and out of memory as the amount of threads you selected can, and reads it back randomly. I only take the time to mention this because I don't want someone to come across your posts and think you have a ******* clue what you're talking about.
Sorry to rant, but I'm sick of seeing your posts bragging about how you know how to use ProTools, so you're an overclocking god.

I wasn't trying to belittle whatever program he uses, I'm not familiar with whatever he said.

I was just saying that there is a reason to use P95 and it's not utterly pointless.
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I wasn't trying to belittle whatever program he uses, I'm not familiar with whatever he said.
I was just saying that there is a reason to use P95 and it's not utterly pointless.

I didn't mean to imply that you were.
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Left home with Prime95 x64 running @ 4,75ghz, only to return 10 hours later and find that my XFX Pro850 XXX gave in and blew...
I just hope that it did not take anything else with it...mad.gifmad.gifmad.gifmad.gifmad.gifmad.gif
Sorry to hear that happen to you. I hope it doesn't take out other hardware too. A good quality PSU will not give in & blow when running Prime95. It not supposed to. If it did blew, most likely it's manufacturing defect & merely coincidence. I'd definitely want to know whether my brand new PSU is faulty or not while it still have warranty. I don't want it happen when the warranty already expired.

To those who don't like Prime95, don't mock people who use it. If you don't like it, don't use it. No one forcing you to use it anyway.
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I didn't mean to imply that you were.

No problem. tongue.gif

Also from looking through I can't find anyone here with a worse 3820 than me. thumb.gif
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Sorry to hear that happen to you. I hope it doesn't take out other hardware too. A good quality PSU will not give in & blow when running Prime95. It not supposed to. If it did blew, most likely it's manufacturing defect & merely coincidence. I'd definitely want to know whether my brand new PSU is faulty or not while it still have warranty. I don't want it happen when the warranty already expired.
To those who don't like Prime95, don't mock people who use it. If you don't like it, don't use it. No one forcing you to use it anyway.

It was a major mood breaker, as the PC was brand new, but on the other side of the same coin, I had no data to risk lose (last time I had a OCZ 650W Modstream die on me few years ago - just died, no Prime or anything involved - took an 1TB, 80% full drive with it, fortunately most of it backed up).

I do believe that things like that happen - I haven't heard of a single PSU manufacturer that is flawless (or laptop, or car, or camera etc)
Had inexpensive HEC units running for 10 years, and dearly expensive PSUs die in weeks.

Still no replacement, so no idea on collateral damage.
Back to my laptop for now - (my precious)
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Good luck with the replacement. Hope you didn't lose anything. I ran prime95 on mine and it never has even caused my psu fan to kick on to high. It is quiet as a mouse.
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