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I've run pro tools plenty of times, I don't like how it relies on proprietary hardware interfaces personally.

okay... totally derailed but it may be usefull info to some...

since AVID took over digidesign, they have made several strides in this area... pro tools has been able to run on
non proprietary hardware for over 2 years.... of course as soon as 11HD goes full 64 bit compliant, legacy hardware
will not be supported... doesnt mean it wont work.. just means AVID will not waste resources to pass certification..
thankfully, really.. there really isnt much of a need... read below on AVID HD interfaces

i personally use it cause its clearly the best software for the task... they had a bit of a hiccup with the 192 line of converters but
the new AVID HD units are converters and pres that compete with much higher priced hardware.... the 2500 buck OMNI HD has the same
converters as the 5K analog AD/DA 24bity 192Khz converter AVID HD.. and it has been tested along side the big guns, over 10k price tags...
therefore... AVID has won us all back and then some.... all this has taken place in the last two years.. so if you're confortable with your DAW
then this information is new to most... as most have not seen pro tools since version 7.4 or even 6.7... things have changed dramatically

in a pro studio environment, AVID HD hardware matches perfectly with HD PRO TOOLS software... that has always been the point
of DAW software.... i've played around with all others, LOGIC is the only other i would use but logic has its own colour which is not
desirable in a recording environment... pro tools is transparent...

as far as prime95, its a silly argument that could go on for years... in fact it has... all i'm saying is... if you know your machine, you know
when its stable... we do push them to the limits and so far... x79, lga2011 packages have been proven to be THE most stable machines
for custom builds... i bought in knowing it would work as i know how to read specs and crosscheck info with AVID high end tech support...

i dont know even a handfull of PRO TOOLS users who sit there and run burn or stress tests... they become a moot point when you're running
a studio... we just dont have the time, nor we feel the need to waste resources just so you can brag about it on forums... or push our systems
to unrealistic limits just to see if something breaks... lol... thats all i was trying to say... we have other tools to do this.. just load up all 256 track voices in a new session and see how many reverb instances you can run... so far its something stupid like 550 instances... you can see why stress tests are a moot point.... you can mix till the cows come home and you will never reach prime95 levels... i mean... ever... so a week of running that tells me what exactly!?? i have 10 years give or take more of constant use!??? i'm pretty damn sure this machine will be demoted to high end sampler in about 4 years.... rolleyes.gif

ohh, and dubstep is too boring for me... bring back the jungle!! drop the bass! my .02 tongue.gif

noh i dont take any offense to the topic at hand, i just know what i need, and what i clearly do not... i'm actually a trained sound engineer,... im' mostly work with bands with multiple members and several instruments... tracking in studio... but i do dable in composition so you got me there... redface.gif
Edited by bacchux79 - 9/3/12 at 8:08pm
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as far as prime95, its a silly argument that could go on for years... in fact it has... all i'm saying is... if you know your machine, you know
when its stable... we do push them to the limits and so far... x79, lga2011 packages have been proven to be THE most stable machines
for custom builds...

I have no doubt that the X79/s2011 platform is stable.
I would never stress test a stock or very mildly overclocked CPU, but in my case I had a 31% OC with 40% over-voltage...that's way off the initial specs.
Prime95 is useful as it stresses the machine that little more than programs reporting 100% CPU utilization already, so problems come out pretty fast.

Yes, technically it is an S&M dance, forcing your PC to crash - then rinse and repeat - but everything is relative to the application: in my case, the machine would be working over-night rendering @ 100% of all threads - it is better to know early on - even better if it still summer-hot - that your machine can pull it off, as most of these renderings usually happen close to deadlines etc, and you cannot afford either an unstable overclock, nor sacrificing a potential 25-30% performance increase.

The sad part is not the S&M mentality, but that a high quality PSU working @ less than 50% load failed with less than 50hours total up-time.
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I have no doubt that the X79/s2011 platform is stable.
I would never stress test a stock or very mildly overclocked CPU, but in my case I had a 31% OC with 40% over-voltage...that's way off the initial specs.
Prime95 is useful as it stresses the machine that little more than programs reporting 100% CPU utilization already, so problems come out pretty fast.
Yes, technically it is an S&M dance, forcing your PC to crash - then rinse and repeat - but everything is relative to the application: in my case, the machine would be working over-night rendering @ 100% of all threads - it is better to know early on - even better if it still summer-hot - that your machine can pull it off, as most of these renderings usually happen close to deadlines etc, and you cannot afford either an unstable overclock, nor sacrificing a potential 25-30% performance increase.
The sad part is not the S&M mentality, but that a high quality PSU working @ less than 50% load failed with less than 50hours total up-time.


yeah i'm a little confused as to why the PSU blew...
i think you know what im' trying to say... i pushed my system to 4.5Ghz at the highest Vcore voltage i am willing to run.. of course my limits are based on my need to limit pc noise and fans and such.... but here's the real point... if IntelBURNtest is causing throttling at 4.625Ghz with 1.295V or what ever it was... clearly PRIME95 will fail after a certain number of hours.. weather its 2 or 72 or 162 doesnt really matter to me... clearly the system is already unstable.... therefore... i needed more juice to the cpu... no biggie... bring it back a notch.... i already am running a system that is heads above what is technically 'needed' so stability is already proven!... im just choosing to use logic, above relying a program which will stress my system beyond what is needed.... i got better things to do with my time... thats all.. mainly... work!.. speaking of.. masters are waiting... cy'all..
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Prime95 is useful as it stresses the machine that little more than programs reporting 100% CPU utilization already, so problems come out pretty fast.
Exactly my point. Good quality hardware, regardless it is cheap or expensive will not give in when running stress test program like Prime95. If there is something wrong with your hardware, you'll know it in just a couple of hours, probably at most in a day. If you do, you can get a refund or RMA immediately.

Also, you'll know whether your cooling system is efficient or enough for that overclock after running IBT or/and Prime95 for several minutes. That's what I do whenever I change my OC settings, running Prime95 or/and IBT for a couple of minutes to check max temps. If it's too hot, definitely I'll lower my OC a little bit. I'm not too concern with core temps because cooling is good enough to cool it down. My only concern if VRM overheating. If core temps still in reasonable range but CPU still throttling, definitely VRM is overheating. I'd reduced my OC right away until I can get better cooling for VRM.
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The sad part is not the S&M mentality, but that a high quality PSU working @ less than 50% load failed with less than 50hours total up-time.
To me this clearly show manufacturing defect. In any batch, there's always a very small percentage failed to work as it should be. It just that you're unlucky to get one that defects. I've read good review on that PSU. They put battery of test when reviewing the PSU. It basically pass with flying colours.
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Also, you'll know whether your cooling system is efficient or enough for that overclock after running IBT or/and Prime95 for several minutes. That's what I do whenever I change my OC settings, running Prime95 or/and IBT for a couple of minutes to check max temps. If it's too hot, definitely I'll lower my OC a little bit. I'm not too concern with core temps because cooling is good enough to cool it down. My only concern if VRM overheating. If core temps still in reasonable range but CPU still throttling, definitely VRM is overheating. I'd reduced my OC right away until I can get better cooling for VRM.
.

yup.. thats how i've been using IBT as well.. def throws up the weak link quick... its actually why i love this board... i can quickly decipher where i'm
having cooling issues... and i can monitor what all my fans do to fix that...

i realized with this last o/c my assistant VRM cooling fan was not at its best setting... once on turbo it made a rather nice difference...
i may have been able to run at 4.625Ghz with just that little change but i'm more than happy working at 4.5Ghz...

you do have a fair point in regards to hardware though... if it breaks with prime95, gives you a chance for warranty replacement early on...
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I'm also running 4.5GHz 24/7. It does give significant boost to CPU processing power. It also doesn't produced too much heat either. I did try 4.625GHz with CPU strap at 125, it does run without throttling. Under load, it produced almost the same amount of heat judging by the core temps. Core temps when idles does increased 3 - 4 degrees because it's now idle at 1.5GHz (12 x 125). With 4.5GHz, mine idles at 1.26GHz. Idle temps not important but I like my computer to running cool when not working.
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I'm also running 4.5GHz 24/7. It does give significant boost to CPU processing power. It also doesn't produced too much heat either. I did try 4.625GHz with CPU strap at 125, it does run without throttling. Under load, it produced almost the same amount of heat judging by the core temps. Core temps when idles does increased 3 - 4 degrees because it's now idle at 1.5GHz (12 x 125). With 4.5GHz, mine idles at 1.26GHz. Idle temps not important but I like my computer to running cool when not working.

i think you're right.. i noticed a nice performance jump at 4.5Ghz... not much to write home about at 6.25 beyond that... so yeah... more heat, more noise, similar performance... dont see the point..

i just pulled up an old mix... granted only 16bit, but yeh... everything loaded... tape emulators on every track.. mixing off RAM cache, 50+ plug ins... fack this thing just flies... i'm a happy man..


carry on ... thumb.gif
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I'm also running 4.5GHz 24/7. It does give significant boost to CPU processing power. It also doesn't produced too much heat either. I did try 4.625GHz with CPU strap at 125, it does run without throttling. Under load, it produced almost the same amount of heat judging by the core temps. Core temps when idles does increased 3 - 4 degrees because it's now idle at 1.5GHz (12 x 125). With 4.5GHz, mine idles at 1.26GHz. Idle temps not important but I like my computer to running cool when not working.

What temp does yours idle at? Mine idles between 28-31* at 4.75 (125x38) with 1,415 vcore
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Idles around high 30s Celsius @ ambient 31C - 32C. During daytime ambient can go up to 34C - 36C, idles will be lower 40s Celsius. If it raining all day, ambient can go down to 29C - 30C & idles will be between 33C - 37C. If A/C is on (ambient roughly 28C - 29C), idles will be around lower 30s Celsius. These are with 4.5GHz OC @ 1.36 VCORE. To be honest I only tried 1.32V VCORE, able to boot in windows, running prime95 for a couple of minutes but BSOD when running IBT (Very High). Beside 1.32V, I did not try lower than 1.36V (offset voltage 0.04).

OT: my Raystorm WC kit en-route. Should be arriving tomorrow or day after tomorrow.
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Idles around high 30s Celsius @ ambient 31C - 32C. During daytime ambient can go up to 34C - 36C, idles will be lower 40s Celsius. If it raining all day, ambient can go down to 29C - 30C & idles will be between 33C - 37C. If A/C is on (ambient roughly 28C - 29C), idles will be around lower 30s Celsius. These are with 4.5GHz OC @ 1.36 VCORE. To be honest I only tried 1.32V VCORE, able to boot in windows, running prime95 for a couple of minutes but BSOD when running IBT (Very High). Beside 1.32V, I did not try lower than 1.36V (offset voltage 0.04).
OT: my Raystorm WC kit en-route. Should be arriving tomorrow or day after tomorrow.


You will love it dude, for sure.


Hehe, speaking of cool 3820s, this made me lol hard.


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