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It's not a 300 Euro board, it's a 300 Euro over clockers board. Normal system builders would typically opt for something less full featured, where the stock options would be the most important thing to the development team. ROG boards and the sort are assumed over clocker boards, and the devs focus more on giving over clockers more options and helping to keep stable at higher than rated frequencies.

If building systems is something you'd like to do going forward, you're going to have to get used to pulling your system apart to do things like reseating your proc, and honestly the more times you do it the easier it gets. I bought 3 new fans the other day and ended up with half my computer in pieces. That's just how it is. I built my first rig 22 years ago (286 8mhz with a whopping 2mb ram on an addon board the length of the case) and I barely even notice having to rip it apart anymore.

As for the temperature differences, you could still be failing a worker due to heat. All it would take is a good surge in heat that your cooler couldn't cope with at a time that the temp wasn't being polled by the software (which is more often than not) and it could fail the worker. It could also be RAM, especially if you're raising your boot strap or your BCLK without lowering the RAM divider, and last but not least, of course it could be a faulty motherboard.

Something I'd like you to check (after re-seating your CPU, whether it's the issue or not, it's bad form) is your VCORE VRM temps. I use AIDA64 for this personally, and it shows up as "temp 1" on my board. The AISuite from Asus will also monitor this. I'm not sure what they're rated for temp wise, but mine would fail a worker any time it would get to around 82-84c.

Also, no matter how good you are, there is no magic bullet answer. The key to being able to effectively troubleshoot these issues is having a complete understanding of how the systems interact with one another, which takes a lot of experience and a willingness to read what others have done before you so that you may learn from their experience as well.
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Originally Posted by SneakyBushNinja View Post

It's not a 300 Euro board, it's a 300 Euro over clockers board. Normal system builders would typically opt for something less full featured, where the stock options would be the most important thing to the development team. ROG boards and the sort are assumed over clocker boards, and the devs focus more on giving over clockers more options and helping to keep stable at higher than rated frequencies.
If building systems is something you'd like to do going forward, you're going to have to get used to pulling your system apart to do things like reseating your proc, and honestly the more times you do it the easier it gets. I bought 3 new fans the other day and ended up with half my computer in pieces. That's just how it is. I built my first rig 22 years ago (286 8mhz with a whopping 2mb ram on an addon board the length of the case) and I barely even notice having to rip it apart anymore.
As for the temperature differences, you could still be failing a worker due to heat. All it would take is a good surge in heat that your cooler couldn't cope with at a time that the temp wasn't being polled by the software (which is more often than not) and it could fail the worker. It could also be RAM, especially if you're raising your boot strap or your BCLK without lowering the RAM divider, and last but not least, of course it could be a faulty motherboard.
Something I'd like you to check (after re-seating your CPU, whether it's the issue or not, it's bad form) is your VCORE VRM temps. I use AIDA64 for this personally, and it shows up as "temp 1" on my board. The AISuite from Asus will also monitor this. I'm not sure what they're rated for temp wise, but mine would fail a worker any time it would get to around 82-84c.
Also, no matter how good you are, there is no magic bullet answer. The key to being able to effectively troubleshoot these issues is having a complete understanding of how the systems interact with one another, which takes a lot of experience and a willingness to read what others have done before you so that you may learn from their experience as well.

^^^^^^^Very well put. +Rep

Edit: After you become comfortable doing it, you'll come to enjoy working inside your case. At least I do, and I know I'm not the only one around here.
Edited by Ramsey77 - 4/20/12 at 3:30pm
 
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Update: I've re-seated the cooler like you guys recommended and temperatures are definitely better.

However, my System is still failing to Overclock like others in this thread.

It failed Prime95 @ 4.3Ghz with a Multiplier of 43x, XMP at 1600Mhz, and the default Core Voltage of "Offset + Auto" (and everything else set to the default Auto):

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It also failed Prime95 @ 4.685Ghz with the CPU Strap at 125, Core Voltage set manually to 1.36v, memory manually set to 1666Mhz (no XMP), and everything else on Auto. It first passed the Intel Burn Test 2 times (see screenshot below of 2nd pass) but then I left it for a few hours running Prime95 and when I got back I had a strange BIOS message saying something like "Entering BIOS mode since no RAID storage device was detected". My PC obviously crashed during Prime95 and rebooted. I'm not sure why I got that message, but I re-loaded the Optimized Defaults and the computer started fine. So I don't have a screenshot of the Prime95 run, but I do have one of the second Intel Burn Test so you can at least check the Temps and other stats:

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Needless to say, it also failed with a Core Voltage of 1.35v (and everything else as per above), and couldn't even get past the Intel Burn Test:

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I'm really bummed out, because when I saw that the Temps improved after re-seating the cooler, I thought my OC would finally work like everyone else's, but that just doesn't seem to be the case.

Where do I go from here? Should I try these settings to see if I can get a stable 4.685Ghz?

Thanks guys.
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After BuildBuildBuild has been helped can anyone help me?

Being an utter noob at overclocking I decided to use one of the preset overclocking configurations, I went for the Normal OC, however after the computer restarted there was no output to the monitor and the system kept looping, usually turning on for around 30 seconds, then switching itself off, turning on for a fraction of a second, then turning off and repeating that loop.

Does anyone know what happened? Luckily there is the BIOS switch on the R4E so I could actually get the system to boot but surely the system shouldn't have problems booting from one of the preset overclocking configurations?

If anyone could help I'd greatly appreciate it.
Edited by Paradigm84 - 4/21/12 at 4:19pm
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Update: I've re-seated the cooler like you guys recommended and temperatures are definitely better.
However, my System is still failing to Overclock like others in this thread.
It failed Prime95 @ 4.3Ghz with a Multiplier of 43x, XMP at 1600Mhz, and the default Core Voltage of "Offset + Auto" (and everything else set to the default Auto):
361
It also failed Prime95 @ 4.685Ghz with the CPU Strap at 125, Core Voltage set manually to 1.36v, memory manually set to 1666Mhz (no XMP), and everything else on Auto. It first passed the Intel Burn Test 2 times (see screenshot below of 2nd pass) but then I left it for a few hours running Prime95 and when I got back I had a strange BIOS message saying something like "Entering BIOS mode since no RAID storage device was detected". My PC obviously crashed during Prime95 and rebooted. I'm not sure why I got that message, but I re-loaded the Optimized Defaults and the computer started fine. So I don't have a screenshot of the Prime95 run, but I do have one of the second Intel Burn Test so you can at least check the Temps and other stats:
333
Needless to say, it also failed with a Core Voltage of 1.35v (and everything else as per above), and couldn't even get past the Intel Burn Test:
321
I'm really bummed out, because when I saw that the Temps improved after re-seating the cooler, I thought my OC would finally work like everyone else's, but that just doesn't seem to be the case.
Where do I go from here? Should I try these settings to see if I can get a stable 4.685Ghz?
Thanks guys.

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DIGI+ Power Control Options
CPU Load-Line Calibration: High
CPU Current Capability: 130%

This did add stability for me since it keeps VCore from dropping during stress testing. Worth to check it out

BTW have you tried stresstesting @ stock? Maybe your chip is kaputt and you should RMA
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After BuildBuildBuild has been helped can anyone help me?
Being an utter noob at overclocking I decided to use one of the preset overclocking configurations, I went for the Normal OC, however after the computer restarted there was no output to the monitor and the system kept looping, usually turning on for around 30 seconds, then switching itself off, turning on for a fraction of a second, then turning off and repeating that loop.
Does anyone know what happened? Luckily there is the BIOS switch on the R4E so I could actually get the system to boot but surely the system shouldn't have problems booting from one of the preset overclocking configurations?
If anyone could help I'd greatly appreciate it.

Stay away from that auto OC stuff, it has much less of an idea what it's doing than you do ^_^. Give this a read or 3:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1189242/sandy-bridge-e-overclocking-guide-walk-through-explanations-and-support-for-all-x79-overclockers

Manually overclocking isn't as hard as it sounds, and it's much more rewarding and reliable than anything your board could do on its own.
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DIGI+ Power Control Options
CPU Load-Line Calibration: High
CPU Current Capability: 130%
This did add stability for me since it keeps VCore from dropping during stress testing. Worth to check it out
BTW have you tried stresstesting @ stock? Maybe your chip is kaputt and you should RMA

Bang up recommendations, and may I add that you might need to take your VTT voltage out of auto and give it a bit more juice as well.
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@SneakyBushNinja - Despite not knowing more than an average cat about overclocking I get what you mean, it wouldn't boot because the auto OC tried to up the RAM speed from 1600MHz to 2000MHz, once I lowered it manually back down to 1666MHz it works perfectly stable @ 4.375GHz, I'm not sure if I should try to overclock it any more or not though.
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@SneakyBushNinja - Despite not knowing more than an average cat about overclocking I get what you mean, it wouldn't boot because the auto OC tried to up the RAM speed from 1600MHz to 2000MHz, once I lowered it manually back down to 1666MHz it works perfectly stable @ 4.375GHz, I'm not sure if I should try to overclock it any more or not though.

If you're still rolling with the automatic settings minus the ram divider, you should really do a quick check of all your voltages and make sure it's not running at 1.38 or something crazy like that for that clock. Auto settings have been known to err on the side of too much power.
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In CPU-Z it says the core voltage is 1.4V....
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