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Have faith, AMD has worked hard as #2 and continues to. They have picked up sales of milliond or units in sales from the likes of Dell and others who were previously under Intels thumb. Furthermor, Intel has lost a lot in profits prevoius to there receint masive price reductiond and most likely will return to higher pricing to satisfy shareholders.
Cudos to Intel for there advancements which will propigate the challanges in advanced tech which is good for both companys!
    
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I love it how people just assume K8L cant compete. 65nm didnt help the Pentium-4 win, and considering there arnt any "Yorktowns" out yet, the clock speed is just speculation.

Besides which, its still Core2, im fairly sure the K8L architecture will be more powerful with everything that has been changed on it. If anything though, Intel is progressing to fast and will soon face a massive backup when they cant decrease the die size or have to develope yet another architecture; one after another costs alot, and thats where Intel seems to be heading.
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I agree, Jori. There is so much debate/flaming over completely speculated performance and business practices. It, in my opinion, is a waste of time. This is just the nature of the industry. Core 2 has been released for 2 months now, and all of a sudden AMD is beaten to death, according to everyone. 2 months is nothing. AMD was clearly on top for at least a year, probably more, and before that, architectures were essentially neck-and-neck. When it comes down to the market, Intel has barely gotten it's OEM market rolling, and that's where all the money is to be made, not in the enthusiast market.

Regardless, there is no point in a bunch of nerds like us speculating how well a chip will or will not perform. It's just a waste because nobody will know until AMD releases their 65nm architecture.
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the only thing we should hope for is that there does not turn out to be a performance-based monopoly in the cpu sector
 
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post #45 of 74
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the only thing we should hope for is that there does not turn out to be a performance-based monopoly in the cpu sector
Assuming AMD doesn't stick with K8 for the rest of the company's life, I highly doubt that will happen.
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I dunno what's going to happen in a 2 yers time, both Jori and drummer are right, this is pure speculation. Since my old P2 I owned only AMDs because they offered good performance for the price while OCing quite decently. My Duron 750 reached 1100 with no fancy cooler on an ECS K7S5A mobo, that was really nice.
Now, let's say I have 300$ for an upgrade (which I do) of Mobo+CPU. What should I choose? Of course I'd like dual-core CPUs and a mobo that could last at least for another CPU upgrade.

What AMD gives:
-ASUS M2N-E AM2- great card, stable and all, but no OCing plus memory compatibility issues
-DFI Infinity Ultra M2 (based on NF4 AM2) - good OCability, good perf thow based on nF4 ultra.
-CPU X2 4200 - OCs on air at 2.8 - 2.9 if lucky

What Intel gives:
-ASUS P5B-E - good card, good perf, good OCability
-MSI P965 Neo-F - the ones above and a price tag of 100$
-CPU E6300 - OCs at 3.2 - 3.5 on air

Both setups cost around 300$ (if we take the MSI for the conroe). So which one do you think would be best, or should I just wait for the 65nm AM2 to see what happens?

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post #47 of 74
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Yup, and by "they" you're referring to the professors at my college.
Or maybe - just maybe - intel

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Originally Posted by Jori
I love it how people just assume K8L cant compete. 65nm didnt help the Pentium-4 win, and considering there arnt any "Yorktowns" out yet, the clock speed is just speculation.

Besides which, its still Core2, im fairly sure the K8L architecture will be more powerful with everything that has been changed on it. If anything though, Intel is progressing to fast and will soon face a massive backup when they cant decrease the die size or have to develope yet another architecture; one after another costs alot, and thats where Intel seems to be heading.
I don't see anybody here claiming that K8L compete - we're just saying that AMD seems to be falling behind intel technologically for the foreseeable future.

I really don't know what you mean by intel is progressing "too fast." What is the harm in progressing quickly? Why would progression force intel to ditch the core2 architecture?
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Or maybe - just maybe - intel



I don't see anybody here claiming that K8L compete - we're just saying that AMD seems to be falling behind intel technologically for the foreseeable future.

I really don't know what you mean by intel is progressing "too fast." What is the harm in progressing quickly? Why would progression force intel to ditch the core2 architecture?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1123210820.htm
I'm sure Intel is doing a whole lot, and by that I mean funding the UCSB and slapping their name on the press release. You probably should give credit to who's really doing the research.

As far as your comment to Jori, once again, your statement that 'AMD seems to be falling behind' is pure speculation. Just because AMD doesn't have 45nm planned for 2007 doesn't mean that it can't compete. 90nm AMD chips have competed with 65nm Intel processors before, and have done well at it. But this is all speculation. Perhaps AMD or Intel for that matter could have an unforeseen revolutionary breakthrough.
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post #49 of 74
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Originally Posted by drummer4lifex
As far as your comment to Jori, once again, your statement that 'AMD seems to be falling behind' is pure speculation. Just because AMD doesn't have 45nm planned for 2007 doesn't mean that it can't compete. 90nm AMD chips have competed with 65nm Intel processors before, and have done well at it. But this is all speculation. Perhaps AMD or Intel for that matter could have an unforeseen revolutionary breakthrough.
which is why i said "seems to be"
I don't pretend to know everything about the future of the CPU industry, but we can only make comments based on what we know and think we know. What we know at the present time points towards AMD falling behind technologically. That's all that I am saying.

While it is true that there could be some revolutionary breakthrough ahead - you cannot introduce this as a possibility if there is to be any discussion at all about the future of the industry. What I am doing is making predictions based on what I know and what I believe that I know. Once you say, well - there could be something that we don't know about so you can't say anything about anything, it becomes impossible to continue the discussion

of course there could be something lurking in the shadows - who saw conroe coming? as a matter of discussion, however, we have to work based off of what we know
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I agree with rabidgnome229. Right now, Intel is pulling ahead. Needless to say, we can see with our own eyes that Intel is producing more powerful CPU's. But it goes without saying that AMD will, at least IMHO, come out with something nearly as powerful (or maybe even more powerful, but that's doubtful just from what I see) or it will fall behind and start losing the theoretical race for the best CPU production on the market.
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