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Actually the steam turbine is fairly efficient it is the distance and power lines which are the issue. A tremendous amount of electricity is lost due to travel alone.
Improve the transfer lines and a huge increase in power production will "magically" appear.
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Originally Posted by G woodlogger View Post

I wonder when there will be the same excitement about solar energy?

That would be when Full-Spectrum Solar panels can be produced. Even so alternative energies now and in the near future are just not good enough. First things first. The worlds needs to stop using coal and other fossil fuels to generate power. I get so damn annoyed by hippies that harp about cars using gas. The internal combustion engine is not the problem. It's power to weight ration makes it very well suited for transport and in the grand scheme of things transport (personal cars in particular) is a very small part of the carbon emissions.

The world needs more nuclear power. Uranium now. Thorium tomorrow and hopefully some day we will get real honest to god fusion.
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Carbon emissions:
Road transport (10.5%)
Air transport (excluding additional warming impacts) (1.7% )
Other transport (2.5%)
Fuel and power for residential buildings (10.2%)
Fuel and power for commercial buildings (6.3%)
Unallocated fuel combustion (3.8%)
Iron and steel production (4%)
Aluminium and non-ferrous metals production (1.2%)
Machinery production (1%)
Pulp, paper and printing (1.1%)
Food and tobacco industries (1.0%)
Chemicals production (4.1%)
Cement production (5.0%)
Other industry (7.0%)
Transmission and distribution losses (2.2%)
Coal mining (1.3%)
Oil and gas production (6.4%)
Deforestation (11.3%)
Reforestation (-0.4%)
Harvest and land management (1.3%)
Agricultural energy use (1.4%)
Agricultural soils (5.2%)
Livestock and manure (5.4%)
Rice cultivation (1.5%)
Other cultivation (1.7%)
Landfill of waste (1.7%)
Wastewater and other waste (1.5%)

Edited by Bit_reaper - 10/5/12 at 2:46am
    
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The name calling suggest to me some level of pre-programing by media smile.gif. I don't think you are so free as you think you are smile.gif.

I have not seen any serious attempt at cheap efficient solar energy, only very over engineered plants.  Which Leeds me to think those with power (no pun intended smile.gif)  won't allow competitive alternative energy. And why would they? It would be a lot easier to copy by other companies, countries, and one can not control price like oil and move markets up and down and make huge amounts of money. I think the structural problem in the energy sector are even bigger than in the bank sector.

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Originally Posted by G woodlogger View Post

The name calling suggest to me some level of pre-programing by media smile.gif . I don't think you are so free as you think you are smile.gif .
I have not seen any serious attempt at cheap efficient solar energy, only very over engineered plants.  Which Leeds me to think those with power (no pun intended smile.gif )  won't allow competitive alternative energy. And why would they? It would be a lot easier to copy by other companies, countries, and one can not control price like oil and move markets up and down and make huge amounts of money. I think the structural problem in the energy sector are even bigger than in the bank sector.

There has been plenty of attempts at cheap and effective solar energy. Perhaps the most successful and widely used tech is the solar furnaces.


There is also a design known as a solar updraft tower (aka solar chimney). This design pretty old and as far as I know there are no full scale commercial plants but numerous smaller proof of concept plants have been built.


The thing you got to remember is that solar power plants are only viable in places with a lot of sunlight and not everyone lives in sunny California. There is no way in hell solar power is going to work in the cold dark north.
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Yes my point is I think the reflectors could be made a lot cheaper. The irony is if the problem of moving the energy from Nuclear power plants to cars, it might also make solar energy variable smile.gif.

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post #66 of 71
i just love the fear mongering "the world is facing a looming energy crisis" are the people who say these things actually this ignorant or are they just paid to do the job
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post #67 of 71
They are not wrong in the "energy crisis" messages... they just are not entirely accurate either tongue.gif
We don't really have a doom is around the corner crisis, but something does need to change. Fear mongering gets the most views.
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Thorium sounds nice. Especially considering uranium production is expected to peak in 2035 at current consumption levels.
    
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I finished watching all the videos regarding Thorium reactors. If you are going to watch any of them watch the 30 minute one, which is a break down of a 2 hour documentary, neat stuff. Very neat stuff, completely do-able, absolutely clean, very little fuel consumption, it is the definitive green energy solution.

It makes me wish I was a whole lot smarter =P

One thought that is always gnawing at the back of my mind, in regards to the reactors specifically, is jobs. If something like this was to be put into the main stream, a ton of jobs would suddenly go the way of the do-do. There would be a ton of people working in the current, and various attached, industries that would be suddenly jobless. Now I know that is only because I can't help but not think of what jobs might be created, but with our overwhelming greedy drive for money, I don't know how much the world would actually change if we were suddenly blessed with an over abundance of clean electricity.

I would like to believe that we could develop into a money-less, star trek like, existence, but I don't see that happening. I think cheap/free electricity is one of the keys, but our current mindsets will probably be our biggest obstacles.
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interesting necro. i knew this thread looked familar.
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