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Well laptops and GPUs have changed since then. The newest GPUs, on both sides (AMD and Nvidia), have power saving features when not in use.

For example, my GTX 460M will downclock naturally to what they call the P2 state 50/100/137 (core/shader/memory) when not in use, A.K.A. the power saver state. It's used primarily for basic routines on the desktop and when the machine is idling.

For anything that requires a bit more power the GPU increases the clock speed up to what they call the P1 state, which is the 2D clock mode. At this point my card clocks up to 202/404/200 (again it's core/shader/memory).

For games, the GPU will clock up to the values that are preset and displayed by the manufacturer, 675/1350/650(GDDR5 memory). This is what they call the P0 state, which is 3D clock mode.

The 570M actually pulls the same amount as my 460M, barely more actually, due to the much improved power management measures that the GF114 line implemented over the previous GF104. So my 460M pulls ~65w and the 570M pulls ~75w. tongue.gif


However, if you want a machine that offers a bit better battery life, I suggest going with the X775 Qosmio line currently up for grabs on Newegg. The X775 line offers Nvidia Optimus and allows for the discreet GPU to power down at the touch of a button, namely the function key switch, and use the integrated GPU on the CPU. smile.gif Using the GPU would give you a total life time of around 2 hours... browsing... that sort of thing... But the integrated could do the same with around 4-5 hours of battery life. Also, it comes with a backlit keyboard. biggrin.gif

It's out of stock at the moment, but worth waiting for if you want a good notebook that offers excellent performance and good battery life in the same mix. smile.gif

Toshiba Qosmio X775-Q7170

There are other models like that one with a mildly slower processor that, I think, offer the GPU changing ability, that are currently available, but check just in case...
     
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Well the 570m is a 25% performance increase over the 560m according to http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-570M.56635.0.html
Seeing as the 570m at stock speeds is around the power of a desktop radeon hd 5770, I think that's the card I want, even if I have to sacrifice battery power. I'm not really going anywhere that I won't be able to plug in anyway.. heh.

The games I would primarily play are Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3, so I don't really need insane GPU power to max those out. I'm thinking of paying $1300-$1500 to a manufacturer, and then buying the rest of the parts myself.

As for 15" vs 17" I'm really undecided. Assuming laptop parts are about the same size, what goes into the extra space of a 17" computer? Bigger heatsink and fan? Bigger motherboard? Bigger power supply? More metal and plastic? Haha. Also, assuming both screens are 1080p, the physical LCD size is not so important to me.

I'm looking at the MSI 1761 whitebook now. It's basically a desktop replacement..
http://www.xoticpc.com/force-1761-msi-1761-p-3152.html

Configured with:
2nd Generation Intel® Core™ i7-2670QM
16GB DDR3 1600MHz
Steelseries™ Backlit Keyboard (24 Programmable Color Variations) & Kinzu Gaming Mouse (Looks too cool to pass up)
No hard drives
Everything else default.
(Total: $1300)

Throw one of these guys in:
http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-2-5-Inch-Solid-State-CT128M4SSD2/dp/B004W2JKZI/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1330565939&sr=1-1
128GB Crucial m4 ($165)

For a pretty amazing gaming laptop for under $1500.

Is the Bigfoot Networks Killer™ Wireless-N 1102 (2x2) card worth it? I did see some reviews where it shows that the wireless throughput is greatly increased, but how much does it affect the ping?

Now the real questions... pull the trigger on this system or wait for Ivy Bridge/Tegra 3? heh.
post #13 of 19
doh.gif No comment. As for waiting, do you want a last-gen machine now or a bleeding-edge system in 2 months?

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-570M.56635.0.html

The 560M is only 17% slower at SC2 on Ultra - around 38FPS vs 42FPS. Take it for what you will.

As for 15" 1080p vs 17" 1080p, you'll probably want to increase the size of text on some websites and such with a 15" screen. It's nice, but a little too dense IMO. Everything is VERY small. 17" 1080p is probably better for overall view, you'll see smaller objects in a distance easier, if nothing else. For portability, 15". 17" is only ~1.5-2 pounds more, not that big of a deal if you don't carry around a lot of stuff.
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Hey guys,

After a bit more research I've decided something in the Toshiba Qosmio X775s series would be the most optimal solution for me.
After reading on the Diablo 3 beta technical board, I have come to the conclusion that the GTX 560M should be able to max the game upon release with a good framerate (esp. since the screen is not 1080p)

http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Qosmio-X775-Q7170-17-3-Inch-Horizon/dp/B006GTCXG8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330980004&sr=8-1

There are a few 12 cell batteries available for this model, which along with optimus should up the browsing time considerably =]

As for Q7170 vs a better model, I have a few questions about the i5-2450M vs. the i7-2630QM (or other i7) processors. I'm not sure whether to put forth the extra $100-$150 for a processor upgrade.
1) How does Turboboost work? If two processors have the same Turboboost frequency, will they perform the same under load?
2) Does the i7 use more battery power than the i5 since it has more cores? (Okay I looked this one up.. 45W vs 35W TDP)

Also, after upgrading to a SSD, will the RAM be the next bottleneck to my performance? If I stick with the i5 processor, I guess there's no point to upgrading the ram since there are only 2 slots total and I am limited to the 1333MHz ddr3? (Actually, it seems like the i7 can only use 1333MHz ddr3 too? Do I need to overclock the CPU of the laptop to use 1600MHz ram?)

Thanks!
Edited by newbies - 3/5/12 at 2:03pm
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You will not be able to run at 1600MHz speeds with those chips so do not worry about it. You will not notice speed differences anyways, and with 2 slots, 8GB RAM will never be a bottleneck for you. On my laptop playing BF3 I am usually around 55% RAM usage (I have 8GB). This is with a tweaked OS with many services disabled. 8GB (or 6) is more than plenty and an SSD will be a great addition to any laptop.

That laptop with 1600x900 will be great for gaming. In terms of i5 vs i7, definitely spring for the i7 if you can. In many games it will not matter, but some like BF3 and many newer ones now use more than 2 cores and can use that i7 better. Turbo boost works differently depending on load, but for my laptop with an i5, when gaming I am around 2.7GHz with turbo on. My bottleneck for gaming is my GPU, but it does great for what it is.
   
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doh.gif No comment. As for waiting, do you want a last-gen machine now or a bleeding-edge system in 2 months?
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-570M.56635.0.html
The 560M is only 17% slower at SC2 on Ultra - around 38FPS vs 42FPS. Take it for what you will.
As for 15" 1080p vs 17" 1080p, you'll probably want to increase the size of text on some websites and such with a 15" screen. It's nice, but a little too dense IMO. Everything is VERY small. 17" 1080p is probably better for overall view, you'll see smaller objects in a distance easier, if nothing else. For portability, 15". 17" is only ~1.5-2 pounds more, not that big of a deal if you don't carry around a lot of stuff.

Sure... use that logic... yeah the 7770 is barely slower than the 6870 for the same cost... go with the slower card. That's not dumb right? rolleyes.gif

The laptop with a 570M will be smokin'. Also, Ivybridge isn't gonna go mobile until a couple months AFTER the initial release. So you're waiting another two moths after that, which would be around four months by your timeframe, with a 10% clock for clock increase? Dude... games aren't gonna get better from a IB CPU over a SB CPU with a 570M. You make it sound like the 570M is a GTX 590 and you need the fastest CPU to keep up with it. Go out and learn a bit more before you start spouting here. Misinformation is the best way to get hate here.tongue.gif

EDIT: Also, the 15" model doesn't feature the backlit keyboard. I know because I've looked into it... and the backlit keyboard costs something like... $80-$90 if you wanna buy it as an aftermarket part, thus also voiding the warranty. AND why do you go and try to say the 15" 1080p screen is prettier? Like it matters? I'd rather have a backlit keyboard over a slightly prettier 1080p screen.
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Sure... use that logic... yeah the 7770 is barely slower than the 6870 for the same cost... go with the slower card. That's not dumb right? rolleyes.gif
The laptop with a 570M will be smokin'. Also, Ivybridge isn't gonna go mobile until a couple months AFTER the initial release. So you're waiting another two moths after that, which would be around four months by your timeframe, with a 10% clock for clock increase? Dude... games aren't gonna get better from a IB CPU over a SB CPU with a 570M. You make it sound like the 570M is a GTX 590 and you need the fastest CPU to keep up with it. Go out and learn a bit more before you start spouting here. Misinformation is the best way to get hate here.tongue.gif
EDIT: Also, the 15" model doesn't feature the backlit keyboard. I know because I've looked into it... and the backlit keyboard costs something like... $80-$90 if you wanna buy it as an aftermarket part, thus also voiding the warranty. AND why do you go and try to say the 15" 1080p screen is prettier? Like it matters? I'd rather have a backlit keyboard over a slightly prettier 1080p screen.

Actually, I just did some more research and there is no extended battery for the Qosmio X775 frown.gif ...and the MSI barebones price also dropped. Though, I would have to get a processer upgrade since the i5 is out of stock which is a $150 upgrade.
So the MSI 1761 17" with the backlit keyboard is back in consideration. But I'm still at a tossup between the two. Is the warranty voided if they keyboard is installed by the vendor? Wouldn't the warranty be voided if I was trying to overclock the gtx 570m anyway? Is it possible to switch from discrete to integrated graphics on that computer manually?

Thanks!
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Sure... use that logic... yeah the 7770 is barely slower than the 6870 for the same cost... go with the slower card. That's not dumb right? rolleyes.gif
The laptop with a 570M will be smokin'. Also, Ivybridge isn't gonna go mobile until a couple months AFTER the initial release. So you're waiting another two moths after that, which would be around four months by your timeframe, with a 10% clock for clock increase? Dude... games aren't gonna get better from a IB CPU over a SB CPU with a 570M. You make it sound like the 570M is a GTX 590 and you need the fastest CPU to keep up with it. Go out and learn a bit more before you start spouting here. Misinformation is the best way to get hate here.tongue.gif
EDIT: Also, the 15" model doesn't feature the backlit keyboard. I know because I've looked into it... and the backlit keyboard costs something like... $80-$90 if you wanna buy it as an aftermarket part, thus also voiding the warranty. AND why do you go and try to say the 15" 1080p screen is prettier? Like it matters? I'd rather have a backlit keyboard over a slightly prettier 1080p screen.

OP wants decent battery life, that was my understanding. 17% faster graphics, but half the battery life is a poor tradeoff to me. Kepler 660M is supposed to come out in mid-May. Sounds like it could be within OP's timeframe. IB mobile, who knows really. June, April, whatever. But again the clocks are about 20% higher for quad cores, and 6% IPC gain. This is OCN, people upgrade for smaller than 20% performance gains. I don't recall saying any mobile cards will be bottlenecked by a SB i7. I also don't recall recommending the 15" screen. I tend to lay the facts out and let people decide what they'd like to do. I precisely said that 15" 1080p is "nice, but a little too dense". Far from an endorsement.
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Actually, I just did some more research and there is no extended battery for the Qosmio X775 frown.gif ...and the MSI barebones price also dropped. Though, I would have to get a processer upgrade since the i5 is out of stock which is a $150 upgrade.
So the MSI 1761 17" with the backlit keyboard is back in consideration. But I'm still at a tossup between the two. Is the warranty voided if they keyboard is installed by the vendor? Wouldn't the warranty be voided if I was trying to overclock the gtx 570m anyway? Is it possible to switch from discrete to integrated graphics on that computer manually?
Thanks!

The Qosimo X775 will still have better battery life due to Optimus. If you don't care about battery life, the 1761 is a better choice. I would like to point out the X775 has a backlit keyboard as well. Keyboards are user-replacable parts on most laptops, so if you swapped out a keyboard or whatever, that won't void the warranty. If you VBIOS mod the video card, your warranty is void. As far as I know, that's the only way to raise voltages (someone correct me if I'm wrong). You can still OC on stock voltages without voiding the warranty. The 1761 has no Optimus, so you can't use integrated graphics at all. The X775 has Optimus so you can set the profile for which programs use discrete and which use integrated - ie you could have video play on the Nvidia card if you wanted, or maybe have an older game like Counterstrike play on integrated. Or you can manually choose the grahpics used each time if you'd really want to do that.

Also, you could customize the base ($1000) model of the X770 at Toshiba direct, add the i7 for $100. But, it only has the 1600x900 screen. I'll withhold comments on anything related to screens.. apparently it's a touchy subject. http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/cdetland.to?poid=2000016430 . I don't know exactly what's different between the X770 and X775, perhaps screen resolution? It's listed as having 560M Optimus, backlit keyboard, so I'm not sure what else it'd be.
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Ahhhhhhhh... alright I must just suck at making decisions, but I think unless Diablo 3 actually comes out in mid-April, I will wait for the new mobile Trinity or Kepler cards. If the new Trinity CPU can run D3 on high settings at 17W TDP, I will try to get an ultrabook with good battery efficiency. Otherwise, I'll see what the new Optimus cards can do. But yeah, looking as the sys reqs for Diablo 3 I highly doubt I will even need a GTX 560M to max it out!
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