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It is fitting that the picture is on I-10 near Palm Springs where the giant windfarm is. On any given day a large portion of those govt-subsidized god awful eyesore windmills are "bricked" (completely broken or down for maintenence).
    
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Lemon law?
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probably not a lemon law thing because it works as described.
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Ugh, just another horrible disadvantage to having an electric car. Between this, the battery weight issue, and lack of engine noise issue I have no intentions on ever buying an electric car. Even when this and the battery weight issues are fixed by advancing technology the lack of engine noise is still a killer for me. I certainly hope the future isn't in electric cars, because they are simply awful.
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Battery cost has been a concern for a decade.
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Ugh, just another horrible disadvantage to having an electric car. Between this, the battery weight issue, and lack of engine noise issue I have no intentions on ever buying an electric car. Even when this and the battery weight issues are fixed by advancing technology the lack of engine noise is still a killer for me. I certainly hope the future isn't in electric cars, because they are simply awful.

Wait, did you just say the future of electric cars is awful because they won't be loud?

I agree with a lot of the points, but I think the rumble of a combustion engine will at some point be as ancient as the hiss of a steam boiler.
    
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What, so GM can absorb Tesla and keep pumping out petrol-consuming cars instead of moving forward? (we all saw how "electric" the Volt was, not only that, how hard they are to find and how expensive they are)

If moving forward requires me to spend 40k on a battery for replacement + Shipping + Labor = the cost of another vehicle itself then I rather hop in my Delorian ...
    
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Battery cost has been a concern for a decade.
Wait, did you just say the future of electric cars is awful because they won't be loud?
I agree with a lot of the points, but I think the rumble of a combustion engine will at some point be as ancient as the hiss of a steam boiler.

Actually the lack of noise has has some people worried that they might be dangerous in some ways, as some people don't realize a car is on when they do something like walk in front of it. But some studies have shown that they may not be dangerous: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/quiet-electric-cars-pose-no-danger-to-visually-impaired-2319557.html
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Ugh, just another horrible disadvantage to having an electric car. Between this, the battery weight issue, and lack of engine noise issue I have no intentions on ever buying an electric car. Even when this and the battery weight issues are fixed by advancing technology the lack of engine noise is still a killer for me. I certainly hope the future isn't in electric cars, because they are simply awful.
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And it’s all the more amazing that you can travel 200 miles on a energy source that weighs just 30 pounds, not 1,000-2,000 pounds: five gallons of gasoline or diesel fuel.

According to the article 30 pounds of energy source (batteries) can carry the Tesla 200 miles (which is pretty impressive),compared to 1,000-2,000 pounds: five gallons of gas or diesel. Huh? A gallon of gas now weighs 200-400 pounds? My E-350 with both 34 gallon tanks full would weigh as much as a fully loaded cement truck then... Looks like a bad copy paste assembly of an article by somebody that does not know what they are "writing" about.

After re-reading the article I also noticed this logic gem:
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Let your Tesla battery run down to empty and it may have to be replaced for $40,000. That’s what one site claims was the fate of five of the all-electric Tesla Roadsters. For that to happen, you have to walk away from a Tesla already low on juice and let it sit while parasitic losses take it to zero, at which point the battery is a brick and can’t be recharged, only replaced.

followed by:
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TheUnderstatement contends at least five of 2,200 Tesla Roadsters have suffered this condition and Tesla has ways to track battery condition remotely, via on-board telematics monitoring, and attempts to contact owners. The story can’t make up its mind whether this is a good thing (Tesla just saved you forty large) or bad thing (Big Brother and all).

So "parasitic" battery losses after the vehicle is parked are what will "brick" the battery. How does Tesla counter this? Well , by using a parasitic always-on big-brother uplink to constantly monitor the condition of the battery. True genius. Nikola must be chuckling while rolling over in his grave having his good name associated with complete idiocy like this.

P.S> My guess is that "bricked" batteries will be paid for by all of us in the form of insurance.

Your "bricked" Tesla requires either:

A: $40,000 out of pocket to fix, or

B: $0 and one match out of your pocket to torch the POS and get it paid for via insurance.
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I forgot about the visually impaired sound argument, I do remember reading about that a long time ago.

I was thinking about the reactions on a test drive. Old people couldn't tell it was on, kept trying to restart it at stop lights, forgetting to put it in park/turn it off, etc. Whatever though, that isn't an unaddressable flaw of the engine, we can place any manner of interior/exterior audible warning systems on cars with silent engines.

IF it is a true concern. IMO the argument for fossil fuel because of audible alerts to visually impaired persons is a thin one.

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So "parasitic" battery losses after the vehicle is parked are what will "brick" the battery. How does Tesla counter this? Well , by using a parasitic always-on big-brother uplink to constantly monitor the condition of the battery. True genius. Nikola must be chuckling while rolling over in his grave having his good name associated with complete idiocy like this.

Sounds like a real design issue pressed through many rolls of the marketing crank.
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So you basically discharge the battery, then let it sit for an indeterminate amount of time?

I'm curious how long it takes to get to a critical state though, is there any data on that?
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Nikola must be chuckling while rolling over in his grave having his good name associated with complete idiocy like this.
Tesla probably doesn't stop rolling, he never gets credit for anything good either.
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