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Case - NZXT H2 White
$109.98 - http://goo.gl/zgUWu

APU - AMD A6-3650 Llano 2.6 GHz Quad-Core with Radeon HD 6530D
Motherboard - ASUS F1A75-M LE (Hudson D3)
$169.98 - http://goo.gl/vdh4x

RAM - Patriot G Series Sector 5 Edition 8GB @ 1600 MHz
$41.99 - http://goo.gl/28Znf

Storage - Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ/ST500DM005 500GB @ 7200 RPM
$84.99 - http://goo.gl/yLXp

Storage - Crucial M4 CT064M4SSD2 64GB SATA III
$64.99 - http://goo.gl/nDnUI

Optical Drive - LG GH22NS90B
$20.99 - http://goo.gl/IE2Z7

PSU - Corsair CX430 430W
$46.98 - http://goo.gl/b96Gw

Total: $540

This is for my friend's dad ^ (he basically just surfs the web and plays Freecell LOL)

I believe the 430W should be fine. Trying to make a cost efficient casual-use computer, with light-gaming abilities. I'm pretty positive 1.65v RAM is compatible with the FM1 socket. I really like the heatsink on the RAM modules ^.^

I considered SSD either to replace HDD or along side it, but even a 60GB would increase the cost a lot, speed is not a huge issue since it'll be for very casul use.

I went with the A6-3650 since it's a quad-core, no need to cheap out and sacrifice cores, even if I downgraded to the cheapst A4 processor, it would be only a $40 difference in exchange for losing all that performance ability. I could do that, but would it be worth going with a dual instead of quad-core just to save $40? (the mobo comes with a combo deal for both the A4 and this A6) especially since the price right now isn't exceeding the budget, unless I can go with the A4 without losing considerable "smoothness" if you guys get what I mean (not getting lag opening up programs, doing other simple tasks at times)

The reason I'm considering downgrading is because I could maybe add the SSD I mentioned earlier? I figure a nice 60GB would be nice (This would fit Windows 7 and some programs comfortably yes?)
Edited by Reaper2794 - 2/28/12 at 9:48am
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ram: get these 1600Mhz instead, it will help with games, and it's only 3$ more
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220484

also, the PSU is plenty

edit: see here for ram frequency performance difference.
A ssd is hard to recommend at this price point, it will surely speed your system up, but the price... you'll have to make this decision by yourself. For gaming an A4 is quite crippled (half the graphics capability of an A6), and again, it depends on how Light is your light gaming going to be. Deciding between an A4 and a SSD and an A6 and no SSD depends on how you game, and how fast you want the computer to boot and to start apps.
Edited by creisti86 - 2/28/12 at 7:02am
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^ Logisys PSUs are hardly "okay" for modern builds.  I owned one (480W come-with-case).  Couldn't maintain 12V within spec on a low power Athlon II x2 + 880G build.

That "575W" is really a 300W if you go by the 12V rail.  Plus the mediocre quality and efficiency....

 

Do NOT use it for any build with a modern PC f you do not want your PSU to blow up and kill other system parts with it.  Just avoid Logisys PSUs.  Other brands at this price point may be fine.  And yes, the CX 430 is more than enough for an A6 build.  You may as well go with it if you care about rebates since it costs less after rebates while being a somewhat better quality unit than most low budget ones out there.

By the way the use of DDR3-1333 @ CL9 generic RAM is going to bottleneck this PC because the APU requires a lot of bandwidth for both CPU & GPU processing.

Get THIS KIT.  Much better binned and better performing DDR3-1600 for less.  Pas heatspreaders, but that makes less indicator of RAM binning/overclocking ability than speed rating & ICs.  Since DDR3 kits often run cool regardless, it doesn't matter.  Most DDR3-1333 kits will not reach 1600 due to the low binning of kits of "generic" standards.  Plus that kit you selected needs 1.65V for it, beyond the standards and likely hinting at extremely low beyond-standard binning.  Choose the Signature kit over that one.  Or if you really want heatspreaders, spend more but ensure a proper DDR3-1600 kit. Or you may be losing ~20% of performance (depending on task) you could be advantaging with better bandwidth memory.


Edited by xd_1771 - 2/28/12 at 8:11am
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my logisys 480 has been going strong om my corsair III with a PH II555 gor over 3 years my roomate has one in her runing her PH II 850 all at stock settings with out any problems its not a psu for over clocking
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Originally Posted by creisti86 View Post

ram: get these 1600Mhz instead, it will help with games, and it's only 3$ more
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220484
also, the PSU is plenty
edit: see here for ram frequency performance difference.
A ssd is hard to recommend at this price point, it will surely speed your system up, but the price... you'll have to make this decision by yourself. For gaming an A4 is quite crippled (half the graphics capability of an A6), and again, it depends on how Light is your light gaming going to be. Deciding between an A4 and a SSD and an A6 and no SSD depends on how you game, and how fast you want the computer to boot and to start apps.

Well I may have kind of misspoke, this is for my friend's dad, but I'm leaving a light gaming capability for my friend so if he wants to have some fun he's not in the dark, he's already built his gaming PC that I've helped him with, but this will be at his dad's house, so the gaming is really not a huge deal, I care more about the sluggishness, as long as the A4 will not show any signs of a slow down in common everyday function, I'm fine

Yeah that RAM is the better choice for sure.
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Originally Posted by truckerguy View Post

here is a ok psu if you dont OC it
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817170017
and ssd's have come down
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148441

I would never buy a Logisys PSU

Yes that SSD seems to be quiter popular with the larger size, very good price, thank you, I will add it almost for sure
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Originally Posted by xd_1771 View Post

^ Logisys PSUs are hardly "okay" for modern builds.  I owned one (480W come-with-case).  Couldn't maintain 12V within spec on a low power Athlon II x2 + 880G build.
That "575W" is really a 300W if you go by the 12V rail.  Plus the mediocre quality and efficiency....

Do NOT use it for any build with a modern PC f you do not want your PSU to blow up and kill other system parts with it.  Just avoid Logisys PSUs.  Other brands at this price point may be fine.  And yes, the CX 430 is more than enough for an A6 build.  You may as well go with it if you care about rebates since it costs less after rebates while being a somewhat better quality unit than most low budget ones out there.

Yeah Im sticking with the CX430

By the way the use of DDR3-1333 @ CL9 generic RAM is going to bottleneck this PC because the APU requires a lot of bandwidth for both CPU & GPU processing.
Get THIS KIT.  Much better binned and better performing DDR3-1600 for less.  Pas heatspreaders, but that makes less indicator of RAM binning/overclocking ability than speed rating & ICs.  Since DDR3 kits often run cool regardless, it doesn't matter.  Most DDR3-1333 kits will not reach 1600 due to the low binning of kits of "generic" standards.  Plus that kit you selected needs 1.65V for it, beyond the standards and likely hinting at extremely low beyond-standard binning.  Choose the Signature kit over that one.  Or if you really want heatspreaders, spend more but ensure a proper DDR3-1600 kit. Or you may be losing ~20% of performance (depending on task) you could be advantaging with better bandwidth memory.

I'm gonna stick with the RAM suggested by the other user, but this info definitely taught me something new, thank you
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Originally Posted by truckerguy View Post

my logisys 480 has been going strong om my corsair III with a PH II555 gor over 3 years my roomate has one in her runing her PH II 850 all at stock settings with out any problems its not a psu for over clocking

I would never buy Logisys, I know my good and bad brands, just cause it may have lasted, doesn't mean it's reliable

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Now my main concern is, will the 64GB SSD fit Windows + applications on it? I have heard all diff sizes for Windows 7 since there's things you can change and what not

I care more about the sluggishness than the graphics power, the gaming is not the main focus, as long as the A4 will not show any signs of a slow down in common everyday function, I'm fine, so will the A4 serve him well?
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