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I don't understand why nVidia seems to perform better than ATI in 3dmark Vantage?

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I don't really understand why nVidia cards seem to outperform ATI cards in 3DM Vantage? Particularly the gtx 580 in SLI. A 6970 CF setup barely runs low to mid 30,000s while a 580 SLI setup pushes mid 40,000s. When the just the single cards are compared, there is not as much of a difference between the two. I just don't understand what it is about the 580 SLIs that just beast on everything in Vantage. A single 7970 blows a 580 out of the water but I don't even know if two 7970s would hit mid 40,000s would they?
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Physx enabled?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by driftingforlife View Post

Physx enabled?

this, ati gets basically no physx score, it's an nvidia thing.
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Ahhh gotcha. That crossed my mind but I didn't know if would have made THAT big of a difference. So basically, this doesn't necessarily mean that the performance of games is as drastic as the difference in 3dmark is does it?
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You don't need to have PhysX enabled to hit mid 40.000s in vantage with a 580 SLI setup.

My rig does about 41K without physX.
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jta98z View Post

Ahhh gotcha. That crossed my mind but I didn't know if would have made THAT big of a difference. So basically, this doesn't necessarily mean that the performance of games is as drastic as the difference in 3dmark is does it?

3dmark products tend to be biased in favor of Nvidia. These are just synthetic tests and scores, anyway...real-world performance will often be markedly different, especially with an AMD graphics card. They perform better than Vantage might indicate.
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Huh?
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http://www.hwbot.org/submission/2258126_royalk_3dmark_vantage___performance_radeon_hd_7950_44165_marks

There are other things related to Vantage scores than just the GPU.
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3DMark is synthetic, so no, the difference between two competing cards won't be huge. Not even close. Besides, the 6970 is supposed to take on the GTX 570; the 580 is in a league all it's own.
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