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1. Use 2048x1536 resolution screen
2. 1920x1080 content = stretch all the pixels about 5% to upscale. So much for perfect mapping of content.
Sooo glad those lazy iOS devs didn't have to make a 2nd GUI for a higher resolution. It's too hardcore for anyone but Android devs, apparently.
What are you talking about?
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I'm not sure why iTunes doesn't support mkv's, perhaps it isn't as power efficient as the other formats Apple supports. Remember that Apple sells a lot of iDevices and you use iTunes to sync them, so making sure that the formats available are power efficient is something I'd expect of Apple.
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Son. You know nothing and are pulling things out of air. At least do some research before making assumptions.

Nobody wants iTunes. It's forcefed software, much like Origin and Battlelog is to BF3.

Matroska container files are a staple for high-profile encodes. And if you say AVI, MP4 is better than MKV, lmao to you my ignorant friend, lmao.
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Son. You know nothing and are pulling things out of air. At least do some research before making assumptions.
Nobody wants iTunes. It's forcefed software, much like Origin and Battlelog is to BF3.
Matroska container files are a staple for high-profile encodes. And if you say AVI, MP4 is better than MKV, lmao to you my ignorant friend, lmao.
Son? lol? Anyway.. That's why I said I don't know anything about formats? I was just suggesting it as a possibility so someone who knows about these things can chime in.

So what you're saying is that MKV's are more energy efficient than H.264 or MPEG-4? And that its less process intensive than the other two?

I expect that the Apple's TV limitations have to due with hardware that isn't powerful enough, I mean just look, it can only play MPEG-4 video up to 2.5Mbps, 640x480 pixels, at 30 FPS. It's only got a Cortex A8 1GHz processor and an SGX535 -- so the next update with either a dual-core or quad-core CPU and a much improved GPU should allow maybe even full BluRay quality to run.
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So what you're saying is that MKV's are more energy efficient than H.264 or MPEG-4? And that its less process intensive than the other two?

>2012
>can't google up what an MKV file is.
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MKV
MKV is awesome simply because it can house an unlimited number of video, audio, picture and subtitle tracks in virtually every format known to mankind. So it has immense customizability, and not to mention it’s an open standard, which means it is free to use and the technical specifications are available for private and commercial use.

An MKV file can have multiple audio streams, so it’s a popular container for many dual-audio videos. It also supports soft-subtitles, subtitles that are drawn onto the video image in real-time, so they can be removed at any time. Oh, it can have multiple subtitle tracks too, so the same MKV file could have subtitles that will translate a video into 100s of languages. Another cool feature is bookmarking, which allows the user to save bookmarks for their favourite scenes in a video and access it anytime with a couple of clicks. To top it all off it even supports file linking, which means if a TV show has an intro or ending sequence that never changes, people can just use one file and insert it into every episode instead of encoding it separately for each and increasing the file size as a result.

I'll leave that there, not much explanation needed. I believe your superior intellect can handle a few sentences.
http://tech2.in.com/opinions/all/h264-and-mkv-explained-why-they-are-awesome/186902
Edited by Kand - 2/29/12 at 7:48pm
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How does streaming over WiFi decrease quality? It just loads faster if you do it via HDMI -- but if you've got a decent router you shouldn't have to wait for it to load anyway.
I'm not sure why iTunes doesn't support mkv's, perhaps it isn't as power efficient as the other formats Apple supports. Remember that Apple sells a lot of iDevices and you use iTunes to sync them, so making sure that the formats available are power efficient is something I'd expect of Apple. That may explain why, I don't think there's any other reason why you'd not allow those formats in iTunes. The Apple TV may not be a mobile device, but it still streams what's in iTunes, and it still runs iOS.
It doesn't take long to install ATV Flash either. It's twenty minutes, and fifteen of that is just waiting for it to burn to a USB drive and install on the ATV, the other five is buying and downloading it. I've done it before on the first generation model and it works pretty well, albeit it was quite laggy due to the weak hardware.
This basically sums up the Apple TV: link
One of the useful things about it is that you can stream your previously bought music, TV shows, etc., and hopefully soon, movies too, but as you mentioned, that's a benefit to being in the iTunes ecosystem.

First of all MKV is not a format its a file container, Apple TV already supports the formats used in an MKV so enabling support is far from the most complicated thing to do. Its a simple matter of telling the device where to look for the actual video, audio and subtitle files. The reason Apple doesn't allow it is quite simply because they want to make you totally reliant on their proprietary ecosystem.

Also this ATV Flash you keep bringing up does not enable MKV support. It's also 30$ on top of the price of the already feature lacking Apple TV. Personally If I buy something like this I don't want to have to pay extra for features that should have been included or that have been intentionally left out so as to tie me to Apple content.

As far as your question on why HDMI is superior to wifi well I think it should be quite obvious. HDMI has far superior bandwidth which means not only does it load faster but it allows for much better quality content. If were talking about low quality iTunes content (everything in the iTunes store) then Apple TV streamed over wifi is perfectly fine. With HDMI you don't have to limit your quality which means you can go right ahead and watch your blu ray ripped mkv on your computer with no compromise in video or audio bit-rate.

But like I already said, even if you can't directly connect your PC to your home theater system we already have programs that allow streaming of the full range of PC supported formats to a PS3 or 360. Just download PS3 Media Streamer and you can stream whatever you want without any restrictions.
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>2012
>can't google up what an MKV file is.
I'll leave that there, not much explanation needed. I believe your superior intellect can handle a few sentences.
http://tech2.in.com/opinions/all/h264-and-mkv-explained-why-they-are-awesome/186902
I'm perfectly capable of Googling what an MKV file is, but I wasn't asking you what it is -- I was asking you whether or you're saying it's both more efficient and less process intensive, that's a yes or a no, and I can't Google to find at your answer.

What's with the insults? You didn't even answer my question anyway.
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First of all MKV is not a format its a file container, Apple TV already supports the formats used in an MKV so enabling support is far from the most complicated thing to do. Its a simple matter of telling the device where to look for the actual video, audio and subtitle files. The reason Apple doesn't allow it is quite simply because they want to make you totally reliant on their proprietary ecosystem.
Also this ATV Flash you keep bringing up does not enable MKV support. It's also 30$ on top of the price of the already feature lacking Apple TV. Personally If I buy something like this I don't want to have to pay extra for features that should have been included or that have been intentionally left out so as to tie me to Apple content.
As far as your question on why HDMI is superior to wifi well I think it should be quite obvious. HDMI has far superior bandwidth which means not only does it load faster but it allows for much better quality content. If were talking about low quality iTunes content (everything in the iTunes store) then Apple TV streamed over wifi is perfectly fine. With HDMI you don't have to limit your quality which means you can go right ahead and watch your blu ray ripped mkv on your computer with no compromise in video or audio bit-rate.
But like I already said, even if you can't directly connect your PC to your home theater system we already have programs that allow streaming of the full range of PC supported formats to a PS3 or 360. Just download PS3 Media Streamer and you can stream whatever you want without any restrictions.
I find that strange then.

How does not allowing an MKV make you dependent on their ecosystem? It's like it only plays the format iTunes movies come in.

And ATV Flash does allow MKV:
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Video: AVI, DVR-MS, M2TS, M4V, MKV, MOV, MP4, MPEG, MPG, MTS, WMV - more coming soon
DVD Files:
VIDEO_TS/VOB, IMG and ISO
Audio: AAC, AC3, AIFF, CAF, DTS, FLAC, MP3, M4A, WAV - more coming soon
Subtitles: Internal: DVDsub, PGSsub, SRT, SSA, Timed Text, VobSub
External: SRT, SSA, SUB

That aside, I'm aware it allows you to "use" higher quality content because it loads faster, but if you're WiFi is already capable of streaming a 5GB, 10GB movie file over the network, then you don't need it. It sounded as if you were saying that doing it over WiFi automatically decreases quality.
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I find that strange then.
How does not allowing an MKV make you dependent on their ecosystem? It's like it only plays the format iTunes movies come in.

...ya
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And ATV Flash does allow MKV:
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Video: AVI, DVR-MS, M2TS, M4V, MKV, MOV, MP4, MPEG, MPG, MTS, WMV - more coming soon
DVD Files:
VIDEO_TS/VOB, IMG and ISO
Audio: AAC, AC3, AIFF, CAF, DTS, FLAC, MP3, M4A, WAV - more coming soon
Subtitles: Internal: DVDsub, PGSsub, SRT, SSA, Timed Text, VobSub
External: SRT, SSA, SUB
That aside, I'm aware it allows you to "use" higher quality content because it loads faster, but if you're WiFi is already capable of streaming a 5GB, 10GB movie file over the network, then you don't need it. It sounded as if you were saying that doing it over WiFi automatically decreases quality.

Larger file size doesn't = high resolution and high bit-rate. Meaning just because you have a 10gb file doesn't automatically make it the best quality file in the world.

If this 30$ app does play MKV it still doesn't solve the bandwidth problem. If you want the best possible home theater system, Apple TV is not the answer.
Edited by james_ant - 2/29/12 at 8:48pm
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I'm perfectly capable of Googling what an MKV file is, but I wasn't asking you what it is -- I was asking you whether or you're saying it's both more efficient and less process intensive, that's a yes or a no, and I can't Google to find at your answer.
What's with the insults? You didn't even answer my question anyway.
I find that strange then.
How does not allowing an MKV make you dependent on their ecosystem? It's like it only plays the format iTunes movies come in.
And ATV Flash does allow MKV:
Quote:
Video: AVI, DVR-MS, M2TS, M4V, MKV, MOV, MP4, MPEG, MPG, MTS, WMV - more coming soon
DVD Files:
VIDEO_TS/VOB, IMG and ISO
Audio: AAC, AC3, AIFF, CAF, DTS, FLAC, MP3, M4A, WAV - more coming soon
Subtitles: Internal: DVDsub, PGSsub, SRT, SSA, Timed Text, VobSub
External: SRT, SSA, SUB
That aside, I'm aware it allows you to "use" higher quality content because it loads faster, but if you're WiFi is already capable of streaming a 5GB, 10GB movie file over the network, then you don't need it. It sounded as if you were saying that doing it over WiFi automatically decreases quality.

Thats because it does.

Bitrate dude... Size of the file doesn't matter... You're not stream a 40mbit/s over Wifi on typical home setups.
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I'm perfectly capable of Googling what an MKV file is, but I wasn't asking you what it is -- I was asking you whether or you're saying it's both more efficient and less process intensive, that's a yes or a no, and I can't Google to find at your answer.
The only way it wouldn't be is if apple didn't bother to do any optimization at all. There is no performance difference between the different container formats as 99% of the processing would be used on the actual video/audio codecs (which is why those are generally hardware based).
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i hope apple evolves apple tv and itunes similar to what ipod and itunes did to music the early 2000's. i want to be able to hook up a box to an ethernet cable or wifi, subscribe to the shows i only want and not settle for 'packages' and pay for only the stuff i watch. if apple can negotiote a deal with tv networks similar to how apple gained trust from record companies for music. it will usher in a new era for video.

traditional tv sucks because its forced into different tiers loaded with channels you dont want. i dont mind advertisements (bathroom break!) but the million other channels that never gets watched is just stuff i dont care about.

for that, i want apple tv to suceed.
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