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Originally Posted by SCollins View Post

Its really unstable compared to many other host specific players. I almost never see windows Media Player crash, but VLC will often crash playing the same media on windows, and the list goes on.
I never rarely ever use Windows and certainly have never watched videos on Windows for at least 8 years. so I couldn't comment on the video rendering on the windows port of VLC, but on Linux (or, more specifically Arch) it seems rock solid.

I guess this is the problem with anecdotal evidence, different people can have difference experiences with the same project but on different hardware / software combinations. So I really don't want to sound like I'm arguing that you haven't had issues with VLC (as I quite believe you have), but in contrast I've found VLC pretty reliable whenever I've used it. In fact the only media player I've found that was more stable was Xine - but that might have been as much to do with it running on Slackware lol
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Most of the problems I see with VLC crashs, seem to occur not from the decoding but the drawing code. That is platform specific stuff.

What do you mean by "drawing code"? You can actually see source code rendered (matrix style)?

Also, I didn't say that you couldn't have platform specific bugs, i said an app being cross platform doesn't automatically make it less stable (unlike what you inferred).
Edited by Plan9 - 3/5/12 at 9:51am
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I never rarely ever use Windows and certainly have never watched videos on Windows for at least 8 years. so I couldn't comment on the video rendering on the windows port of VLC, but on Linux (or, more specifically Arch) it seems rock solid.
I guess this is the problem with anecdotal evidence, different people can have difference experiences with the same project but on different hardware / software combinations. So I really don't want to sound like I'm arguing that you haven't had issues with VLC (as I quite believe you have), but in contrast I've found VLC pretty reliable whenever I've used it. In fact the only media player I've found that was more stable was Xine - but that might have been as much to do with it running on Slackware lol
What do you mean by "drawing code"? You can actually see source code rendered (matrix style)?
Also, I didn't say that you couldn't have platform specific bugs, i said an app being cross platform doesn't automatically make it less stable (unlike what you inferred).

I think you and I have vastly different idea of stability.

For instance, I have a small PC in the front office, that play a continous video loop, a few cars shows etc. I tried to make this work with vlc , and my linux server, it'd crash about every 2-3 hours, requiring my intervention. "this is not a isolate incident on my part". So I setup a Windowmachine,with windows media player. I haven't touched it in a year.

Stability, vrs instability. This is not "anecdotal" and your absolutely fervrent defense of the "nix" universe is really tiring. Most of the drawing code, you know, the part of the program that renders the decoded input file format to pixels, thats what seems to crash on the "nix" ports of vlc.

Its also pretty unstable in windows, can't speak for mac osx.

this is hardly "isolated" and there are plenty of bug reports and complaints on the VLC forums about these problems.
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I think you and I have vastly different idea of stability.
Why is it whenever someone disagrees with you, they're automatically wrong?
I've never once had VLC crash or have playback glitches. I'm sorry that doesn't agree with your experiences but I'm not about to lie and make up instabilities that don't exist. rolleyes.gif
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For instance, I have a small PC in the front office, that play a continous video loop, a few cars shows etc. I tried to make this work with vlc , and my linux server, it'd crash about every 2-3 hours, requiring my intervention. "this is not a isolate incident on my part". So I setup a Windowmachine,with windows media player. I haven't touched it in a year.
That's nice for you, but as I said before, you're limited experience is not automatically the default experience for every other person on the planet. So quit acting like you're brief 10min stint on Linux (which has been well logged on here as a complete failure anyway) is anything more than a personal experience.

Now I've been nice up until now as I've frequently stated that VLC may perform differently / worse on other hardware and software combinations that differ from my own. In fact the very reason I asked you to clarify your original response was because I believed you but was surprised to read such a dramatic contradiction from my own experiences. However had I known you was the same guy as the "I tried Linux once and failed - you're all wrong" guy from the other thread then I wouldn't have bothered replying.
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Stability, vrs instability. This is not "anecdotal"
Actually your example was the very definition of "anecdotal" - and not properly referenced either. Where's the hardware spec for your machine? The distro or Windows version you were running? VLC's build number? All you've posted is some passing remark about a brief failed trial with VLC.
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and your absolutely fervrent defense of the "nix" universe is really tiring.
I'm not defending Linux. I'm not even defending VLC as I've frequently stated that it may run differently on different hardware and software combinations. I was just curious about your experiences and then you launched into your usual narrow-minded and inexperienced rant about how everyone else is wrong. all you needed to say was "when I last tried it xyz happened" and the discussion would have been done with, but instead you started bleating on about how your limited exposure was indicative of the apps performance right across the board and then made unnecessary accusations against my person.

You have a real chip on your shoulder.
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Most of the drawing code, you know, the part of the program that renders the decoded input file format to pixels, thats what seems to crash on the "nix" ports of vlc.
Actually, it was unstable the one time you tried it. Let's not blow your own experiences out of context please.
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this is hardly "isolated" and there are plenty of bug reports and complaints on the VLC forums about these problems.
If you look at bug reports for any project the size of VLC, then you'd see hundreds of bug reports (and rendering glitches for other media player projects). All you're doing now is commenting on the open nature of VLC's development.

As I said before, VLC has been rock solid for me - I wouldn't recommend it if I wasn't as there's a whole plethora of media players available for Linux. Maybe i've just been lucky or maybe you've been unlucky - I don't know. However I no longer care as this is now more about you boosting your own ego than it is about anything even remotely factually accurate.
Edited by Plan9 - 3/6/12 at 12:20am
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I have never had VLC crash on me in the many years of using it, not once. These guys are experiencing problems probably due to poor software configuration (i.e. Windows/Services/Apps). I've never configured VLC and always ran it "out of the box" with a base install. It works for all my media types and is completely stable (I doubt a single person bashing on it has even checked out the SVN). Every piece of software has problems and ways it can be improved. Instead of saying its garbage why don't you download the source and fix it?
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Never had issues with VLC. I got sick of rhythmbox being rather unstable for me though, so I tried banshee and to be honest I don't actually remember much from it except that I switched back to rhythmbox after using it. It all depends on hardware though, I know my sound card is not very linux friendly and my old laptop is, well, old, so anything could have caused those crashes. Fun fact: Rhythmbox is actually written in C#, and runs through mono. At least, that's what I remember reading. EDIT: I believe it's not under development anymore too. I remember reading on the web that the version included in ubuntu 11 would be the last version made.

Disclaimer: I don't have the links to the pages I read as they were all read quite a while ago in the late hours of the nights, so I could be talking complete hogwash here. VLC has always been fine for me though, that part is true.
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Why is it whenever someone disagrees with you, they're automatically wrong?

Becuase your wrong, and thats reality, There is no way VLC with ever be stable on linux just due to the constant abi/api changes. Even if you build VLC on linux, it could still break becuase of some change in the unerlying render manager. That in and of itself, it problematic. VLC isn't a bad app, its chasing a moving target.
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That's nice for you, but as I said before, you're limited experience is not automatically the default experience for every other person on the planet. So quit acting like you're brief 10min stint on Linux (which has been well logged on here as a complete failure anyway) is anything more than a personal experience.

Theres a whole tracker full of tickets, of problems with vlc, on most every platform. This is hardly isolated. So stop trying to minimizwe the defficencys of the linux and foss stack by implying quality, where largely none exists.
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Now I've been nice up until now as I've frequently stated that VLC may perform differently / worse on other hardware and software combinations that differ from my own. In fact the very reason I asked you to clarify your original response was because I believed you but was surprised to read such a dramatic contradiction from my own experiences. However had I known you was the same guy as the "I tried Linux once and failed - you're all wrong" guy from the other thread then I wouldn't have bothered replying.

Hardware should not effect the performance of VLC ever. Unless there is a bug in a driver.
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Actually your example was the very definition of "anecdotal" - and not properly referenced either. Where's the hardware spec for your machine? The distro or Windows version you were running? VLC's build number? All you've posted is some passing remark about a brief failed trial with VLC.

The OS abstracts the hardware handling from VLC, and if VLC is reaching down to drivers, thats a bad thing to do, and may explain its bad behavior. Nothing anecdotal about it. I have a copy of the source right here. I don't see any hardware level calls. Just calls to hardware api's that are abstracted by the system. Why doe you refuse to confront the fact that your position on "application stability" is largely flawed.
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I'm not defending Linux. I'm not even defending VLC as I've frequently stated that it may run differently on different hardware and software combinations. I was just curious about your experiences and then you launched into your usual narrow-minded and inexperienced rant about how everyone else is wrong. all you needed to say was "when I last tried it xyz happened" and the discussion would have been done with, but instead you started bleating on about how your limited exposure was indicative of the apps performance right across the board and then made unnecessary accusations against my person.
You have a real chip on your shoulder.

I've been using VLC since it had a real and supported BeOS port. HArdware should never crash VLC, ever. Unless there is a stability problem with a driver, but that would be crashing the system anyways.
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Actually, it was unstable the one time you tried it. Let's not blow your own experiences out of context please.

Its still largely unstable, in particular with DVD playback. The open source codec seem to be less troublesome, but it still improperly renders a number of formats.
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If you look at bug reports for any project the size of VLC, then you'd see hundreds of bug reports (and rendering glitches for other media player projects). All you're doing now is commenting on the open nature of VLC's development.

I am commenting on the fact that there are lots of bug in VLC, and no propritary application that people pay for, would ever be so tolerant of some many bugs.
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As I said before, VLC has been rock solid for me - I wouldn't recommend it if I wasn't as there's a whole plethora of media players available for Linux. Maybe i've just been lucky or maybe you've been unlucky - I don't know. However I no longer care as this is now more about you boosting your own ego than it is about anything even remotely factually accurate.

Well, considering your the one out and about claiming how great XYZ is , I doubt its my ego thats problematic here. VLC is a buggy app, its always been a buggy app, and until someone takes control fo the project and cuts off the feature creep and force the devs to do serious stability testing, it will be a bug riddled application, worth exactly what they charge for it.

And I use VLC, but its not stable, nor is it the best player for linux, I'd personally suggest looking to find out which player is the least buggy, on the particular distro you use.

Welcome to the bizzare of API/ABI incompatability.
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I've only gotten as far as your 2nd paragraph and can already see that once again you've completely ignored everything that everyone on here has posted and then proceeded to launch into your own ill-informed flamewar. So I can only assume that you're just here to troll and thus have reported your post accordingly.

I'll happily discuss topics like these with people interested in a discussion, but I'm not going to waste my time on trolls.

[edit]
oh and for the record, I don't pretend to think VLC is perfect. In fact I wasn't even meaning to defend it, but the insanity of some of your comments made it practically impossible to reply without sounding like VLC worshipper.
Edited by Plan9 - 3/6/12 at 5:01pm
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The only time VLC has ever crashed on me, is just after the 2.0 release from the Arch repo's. After the past couple of updates, it's been smooth sailing. Prior to the 2.0 release, not once did it ever crash.


*bows down to the perfect god that vlc is*
Sorry, had to <3
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Everyone has their own individual experiences and opinions, keep it civil in here and stay on-topic please. smile.gif
    
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