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Everyone has their own individual experiences and opinions, keep it civil in here and stay on-topic please. smile.gif

This thread was civil compared to some of them, and went off topic a while back.
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album player works well on wine.
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iTunes runs like a dream in a VM.....


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Why is it whenever someone disagrees with you, they're automatically wrong?

Becuase your wrong, and thats reality, There is no way VLC with ever be stable on linux just due to the constant abi/api changes. Even if you build VLC on linux, it could still break becuase of some change in the unerlying render manager. That in and of itself, it problematic. VLC isn't a bad app, its chasing a moving target.
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That's nice for you, but as I said before, you're limited experience is not automatically the default experience for every other person on the planet. So quit acting like you're brief 10min stint on Linux (which has been well logged on here as a complete failure anyway) is anything more than a personal experience.

Theres a whole tracker full of tickets, of problems with vlc, on most every platform. This is hardly isolated. So stop trying to minimizwe the defficencys of the linux and foss stack by implying quality, where largely none exists.
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Now I've been nice up until now as I've frequently stated that VLC may perform differently / worse on other hardware and software combinations that differ from my own. In fact the very reason I asked you to clarify your original response was because I believed you but was surprised to read such a dramatic contradiction from my own experiences. However had I known you was the same guy as the "I tried Linux once and failed - you're all wrong" guy from the other thread then I wouldn't have bothered replying.

Hardware should not effect the performance of VLC ever. Unless there is a bug in a driver.
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Actually your example was the very definition of "anecdotal" - and not properly referenced either. Where's the hardware spec for your machine? The distro or Windows version you were running? VLC's build number? All you've posted is some passing remark about a brief failed trial with VLC.

The OS abstracts the hardware handling from VLC, and if VLC is reaching down to drivers, thats a bad thing to do, and may explain its bad behavior. Nothing anecdotal about it. I have a copy of the source right here. I don't see any hardware level calls. Just calls to hardware api's that are abstracted by the system. Why doe you refuse to confront the fact that your position on "application stability" is largely flawed.
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I'm not defending Linux. I'm not even defending VLC as I've frequently stated that it may run differently on different hardware and software combinations. I was just curious about your experiences and then you launched into your usual narrow-minded and inexperienced rant about how everyone else is wrong. all you needed to say was "when I last tried it xyz happened" and the discussion would have been done with, but instead you started bleating on about how your limited exposure was indicative of the apps performance right across the board and then made unnecessary accusations against my person.
You have a real chip on your shoulder.

I've been using VLC since it had a real and supported BeOS port. HArdware should never crash VLC, ever. Unless there is a stability problem with a driver, but that would be crashing the system anyways.
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Actually, it was unstable the one time you tried it. Let's not blow your own experiences out of context please.

Its still largely unstable, in particular with DVD playback. The open source codec seem to be less troublesome, but it still improperly renders a number of formats.
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If you look at bug reports for any project the size of VLC, then you'd see hundreds of bug reports (and rendering glitches for other media player projects). All you're doing now is commenting on the open nature of VLC's development.

I am commenting on the fact that there are lots of bug in VLC, and no propritary application that people pay for, would ever be so tolerant of some many bugs.
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As I said before, VLC has been rock solid for me - I wouldn't recommend it if I wasn't as there's a whole plethora of media players available for Linux. Maybe i've just been lucky or maybe you've been unlucky - I don't know. However I no longer care as this is now more about you boosting your own ego than it is about anything even remotely factually accurate.

Well, considering your the one out and about claiming how great XYZ is , I doubt its my ego thats problematic here. VLC is a buggy app, its always been a buggy app, and until someone takes control fo the project and cuts off the feature creep and force the devs to do serious stability testing, it will be a bug riddled application, worth exactly what they charge for it.

And I use VLC, but its not stable, nor is it the best player for linux, I'd personally suggest looking to find out which player is the least buggy, on the particular distro you use.

Welcome to the bizzare of API/ABI incompatability.

VLC is buggy? Unstable? Not a single crash on any of the machines I've used it on.

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I can also say that for me personally - I have used VLC for years on different windows and linux versions without any problems that I can remember. That's just my experience though obviously, but just wanted to share that for the record. VLC isn't my main media player but I do rate it because when another media won't play a file - VLC usually will without even needing to get any extra codecs smile.gif

Also this thread has become quite a fun read haha tongue.gif
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Last time i used it (around last year, gentoo), it was just awful. And no, it was nothing I did wrong or anything with my system. Since I was so surprised that it was so bad, I installed it on my sister's ubuntu laptop and it behaved the _exact same way. It was the "stable" version at the time, no testing or anything like that - I should have tried a downgrade or two.

It had a number of bugs that were pretty good annoyances. Let me try to remember, of course this will be a subset as there were too many.

The system tray icon was broken and would appear / disappear whenever it felt like it. Mouseover it - it's gone.
Playing "a directory" to catch all songs within just exited the player
The file system dialogs would sometimes disappear when clicking something (later!), and if you could get them to stay open, would usually lock up for seconds and eventually come back. Click ok and wait 5 seconds...
The preference dialogs would act the same way
Starting to play a file would often crash or hang the player, since the file dialog took forever to disappear
Tuning into a url stream would sometimes play it at half or double tempo
Having two songs queued usually wouldn't pick up the second song and crash the player
The ubuntu version with pulseaudio was sometimes around 2 seconds out of sync, and sometimes garbled audio (that's a pulse problem...)
Did not work at all after using suspend to ram - hung and had to kill it

there were more.. perhaps i'll give it another go and provide a more up-to-date list. At that time I looked at open bugs in their bug tracker and was blown away. it looked like one of those projects where the code base is just absolutely fubar due to old design problems and needed scrapped and redone.
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Last time i used it (around last year, gentoo), it was just awful. And no, it was nothing I did wrong or anything with my system. Since I was so surprised that it was so bad, I installed it on my sister's ubuntu laptop and it behaved the _exact same way. It was the "stable" version at the time, no testing or anything like that - I should have tried a downgrade or two.
It had a number of bugs that were pretty good annoyances. Let me try to remember, of course this will be a subset as there were too many.
The system tray icon was broken and would appear / disappear whenever it felt like it. Mouseover it - it's gone.
Playing "a directory" to catch all songs within just exited the player
The file system dialogs would sometimes disappear when clicking something (later!), and if you could get them to stay open, would usually lock up for seconds and eventually come back. Click ok and wait 5 seconds...
The preference dialogs would act the same way
Starting to play a file would often crash or hang the player, since the file dialog took forever to disappear
Tuning into a url stream would sometimes play it at half or double tempo
Having two songs queued usually wouldn't pick up the second song and crash the player
The ubuntu version with pulseaudio was sometimes around 2 seconds out of sync, and sometimes garbled audio (that's a pulse problem...)
Did not work at all after using suspend to ram - hung and had to kill it
there were more.. perhaps i'll give it another go and provide a more up-to-date list. At that time I looked at open bugs in their bug tracker and was blown away. it looked like one of those projects where the code base is just absolutely fubar due to old design problems and needed scrapped and redone.

Honestly, it's like VLC is a living thing as it's worked pretty good on some people's computers and like crap on others. I have to say it is interesting that you had so many problems with it lloyd. Maybe it's just that it fears being scrutinized by someone who knows it's dirty secrets (like you) and decides to die. biggrin.gif

VLC has worked fine for me minus the pulse audio interaction (maybe because I don't know that it's "bad") but it's not my favorite or the best by a long shot. I'm sure this will attract flack but XBMC really is the best in my opinion as it's just easy to use and beats SMplayer in stability and quality (probably because getting to those settings is easier in XBMC). VDPAU with advance shaders, studio level color correction, noise reduction, and sharpness = shaming the windows version for being junk because DXVA sucks. Also, XBMC works well with music and watching youtube videos too.
     
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At that time I looked at open bugs in their bug tracker and was blown away. it looked like one of those projects where the code base is just absolutely fubar due to old design problems and needed scrapped and redone.
You have to remember that VLC write a number of codecs as well (some of which are actually a standard codec used right across a spectrum of platforms and media clients - eg x264). So that would ramp up the bug reports by several orders of magnitude when compared to some other media players. IIRC there's only really gstreamer and VLC on Linux that really do this. Though I might be having a massive mental fart and forgetting a few.
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Honestly, it's like VLC is a living thing as it's worked pretty good on some people's computers and like crap on others. I have to say it is interesting that you had so many problems with it lloyd. Maybe it's just that it fears being scrutinized by someone who knows it's dirty secrets (like you) and decides to die. biggrin.gif
VLC has worked fine for me minus the pulse audio interaction (maybe because I don't know that it's "bad") but it's not my favorite or the best by a long shot. I'm sure this will attract flack but XBMC really is the best in my opinion as it's just easy to use and beats SMplayer in stability and quality (probably because getting to those settings is easier in XBMC). VDPAU with advance shaders, studio level color correction, noise reduction, and sharpness = shaming the windows version for being junk because DXVA sucks. Also, XBMC works well with music and watching youtube videos too.

XBMC uses ffmpeg, of which VLC is a major contributor.
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XBMC uses ffmpeg, of which VLC is a major contributor.

Really? I thought it was a modified mplayer in Linux? Well, either way it ends up looking the best (in Linux; in windows it's not so good even with DXVA which is a picky little thing that doesn't work half the time).
     
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