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post #31 of 52
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Originally Posted by Evil Penguin View Post

If I need it to not dip below 60 FPS, then yes I do need at least two cards.
BF3 for example, I get 45 FPS average.

45 average is barely playable. How low does it dip? 28-30? 35? If it's not 50-60+ then it becomes pretty unbearable with a FPS, for me at least.
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post #32 of 52
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Originally Posted by Manyak View Post

What the hell are you talking about? The pixel density on 30" monitors sucks, it's only ~100ppi (0.25 dot pitch).


I was meaning the theoretical ~300 ppi displays if one would assemble a display out of four or six of these 1920x1200 10'' screens.

As far as 30'' goes the need for AA depends ofc on the distance you are sitting from your screen. For example, with 23'' display with resolution of 1920x1080 a human with 20/20 vision can no longer tell the difference between AA and no AA at distance of ~70 cm. Ofc when you are sitting closer than "optimal" distance or have particularly keen eyesight you can get the benefit from AA. However, even then I suspect that anything over 2x or max 4x AA is mostly for e-peen. In the sense of "I run this game at MAX SETTINGS" regardless of being unable to visually see any difference between say 4x AA and 16x AA.

One of the problems when making high resolution displays is the number of defective pixels allowed per display. For example, 1920x1080 display with approx 2 megapixels allows up to 5 bright defective pixels by ISO standard. The number goes way up with increased resolution. Currently - bcos these displays are considered "high end" manufacturers go beyond ISO standard - for example the DELL UltraSharp series "Zero bright pixel" policy.

The human eye with 20/20 vision can be "maxed out" with resolution of approx 7600x5000 pixels covering the approx 120 degrees horizontally and whatever was the number vertically where people have 3D vision. Dont have the link at hand atm, but was looking into 3D vision a while ago (more specifically head up displays) and that was the number that I remember from that.
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post #33 of 52
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45 average is barely playable. How low does it dip? 28-30? 35? If it's not 50-60+ then it becomes pretty unbearable with a FPS, for me at least.
I would say about 40 FPS min.
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post #34 of 52
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I think he's just saying that it's not terrible enough for AA to be an absolute requirement.
Also, my old 5870 is still chugging along decently at 2560x1600. Yes, I can't max everything, but your "4xAA maxed out, never dips below 60FPS" is just not necessary, especially for the casual gamer. If my 5870 can do decent settings (by this, I mean around high settings), a single 7970 or a 580 is very well enough for 2560x1600. A need for at least two cards? Nope.

The problem is that 60+ FPS is definitely a requirement. Anything below 60 is choppy, and makes the game less fun. And when the game is blown up to 30", the texture resolution and AF really should be maxed out as well or things just look like blobs (regardless of screen resolution). Then if AA is off, small/thin objects like wires and fences and leaves become extremely distracting.
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post #35 of 52
I would like to have 60 FPS all the time, but 40 and up doesn't really bother me.
Perhaps somewhere down the line I'll buy another 7970. thumb.gif
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post #36 of 52
Technically, desktop monitors are pretty far in some cases but behind in res for certain sizes because of demand and a lot of stuff is already pretty clear at the res it's at.
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post #37 of 52
I imagine that the next "jump" in display resolutions is getting here when the 4k displays in TV get into mass production. The computing power is getting there where it can drive such resolutions reliably, although as far as signal sources go even 1080p is not-that-common yet. The reason why 1080p screens are so mainstream in my opinion is the relatively low price of these screens when compared against higher resolution ones.

Then again, I'm holding my thumbs for emergence of proper heads up display. Around 2001 there were prototypes ready where you can beam to picture directly into your eye with tiny lasers. First one to pull that one off in commercial product at sensible price will get filthy rich. Mainly as all those tiny portable devices are held back in their usability potential by their relatively tiny screens. The processing power is already more or less there.
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You don't really need the pixel density with PC Monitor. Also content is limited. While Phones and Tab are getting 1200p, 720p they will stop there. 2560x1600 is the MAX for now no matter the density. Its like a brick wall.
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post #39 of 52
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Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er View Post

You don't really need the pixel density with PC Monitor. Also content is limited. While Phones and Tab are getting 1200p, 720p they will stop there. 2560x1600 is the MAX for now no matter the density. Its like a brick wall.

That wall is kinda crumbling fast though. The reason for this "wall" was that DVI standard supported max 2600x1600 resolution. The DisplayPort is supporting a lot higher resolutions and has bandwidth to serve them as well. AMD has already demod the 4k displays running on the new 7xxx series cards. For now, as the displays are not yet supporting displayport 1.2 these displays take 2x displayport 1.1a input signals.

The main reason for relatively low ppi on desktop displays is the distance people use them at. If your display is 23'' at resolution 1920x1080 increasing resolution does not give you anything if you are sitting at 70 cm from your display as human with 20/20 vision can no longer tell the difference. In a sense at that distance the display is already "retinal".
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Intel Core i7 3820 X79-UP4 Gigabyte 390X G1 Club3D 7870 Eyefinity 6 
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64 GB Barracuda 3 TB WD Green 3 TB Crucial M4 256 GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Crucial M4 64 GB Barracuda 4 TB Corsair LE 480HB Sythe big shuriken rev B 
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Nexxos 280mm radiator DC-LT Alphacool GPX 390M04 Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 
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DELL U2311H (x3) DELL U2312HM (x2) 9.7'' 2048x1536 (x3) IPAD3 retina Asus PB287Q 4K 
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CM Quickfire TK (red) Corsair AX-1200i Significantly modded Jupiter .. something alumi... Logitech G700s 
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3M Ergonomic 
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Intel Core i7 3820 X79-UP4 Gigabyte 390X G1 Club3D 7870 Eyefinity 6 
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64 GB Barracuda 3 TB WD Green 3 TB Crucial M4 256 GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Crucial M4 64 GB Barracuda 4 TB Sythe big shuriken rev B Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
DELL U2311H (x3) DELL U2312HM (x2) 9.7'' 2048x1536 (x3) IPAD3 retina Asus PB287Q 4K 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
CM Quickfire TK (red) Corsair AX-1200i Modded Sharkoon VS-3 Logitech G700s 
Mouse Pad
3M Ergonomic 
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Intel Core i7 3820 X79-UP4 Sapphire 7950 FleX OC XFX 6770 Eyefinity 5 
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WD Green 3 TB Crucial M4 256 GB Crucial M4 64 GB Barracuda 4 TB 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Custom loop Windows 7 Pro 64 bit DELL U2311H (x3) DELL U2312HM (x2) 
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9.7'' 2048x1536 (x3) IPAD3 retina Asus PB287Q 4K CM Quickfire TK (red) Corsair AX-1200i 
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Modded Chieftec Smart WH-02B-B-OB Logitech G700s 3M Ergonomic 
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Intel Core i7 3820 X79-UP4 Gigabyte 390X G1 Club3D 7870 Eyefinity 6 
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64 GB Barracuda 3 TB WD Green 3 TB Crucial M4 256 GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Crucial M4 64 GB Barracuda 4 TB Corsair LE 480HB Sythe big shuriken rev B 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Nexxos 280mm radiator DC-LT Alphacool GPX 390M04 Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
DELL U2311H (x3) DELL U2312HM (x2) 9.7'' 2048x1536 (x3) IPAD3 retina Asus PB287Q 4K 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
CM Quickfire TK (red) Corsair AX-1200i Significantly modded Jupiter .. something alumi... Logitech G700s 
Mouse Pad
3M Ergonomic 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core i7 3820 X79-UP4 Gigabyte 390X G1 Club3D 7870 Eyefinity 6 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
64 GB Barracuda 3 TB WD Green 3 TB Crucial M4 256 GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Crucial M4 64 GB Barracuda 4 TB Sythe big shuriken rev B Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
DELL U2311H (x3) DELL U2312HM (x2) 9.7'' 2048x1536 (x3) IPAD3 retina Asus PB287Q 4K 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
CM Quickfire TK (red) Corsair AX-1200i Modded Sharkoon VS-3 Logitech G700s 
Mouse Pad
3M Ergonomic 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core i7 3820 X79-UP4 Sapphire 7950 FleX OC XFX 6770 Eyefinity 5 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveHard Drive
Club3D 7870 Eyefinity 6 64 GB Samsung 750 GB F3 Barracuda 3 TB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
WD Green 3 TB Crucial M4 256 GB Crucial M4 64 GB Barracuda 4 TB 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Custom loop Windows 7 Pro 64 bit DELL U2311H (x3) DELL U2312HM (x2) 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
9.7'' 2048x1536 (x3) IPAD3 retina Asus PB287Q 4K CM Quickfire TK (red) Corsair AX-1200i 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
Modded Chieftec Smart WH-02B-B-OB Logitech G700s 3M Ergonomic 
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Anyone got a spare 50k?

http://www.jigsaw24.com/product-details/g385aab

They aint exactly... cheap...

Oh and anything above 30fps is smooth for me tongue.gif
    
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Samsung SM951 NVME 256GB Seagate Barracuda 1TB Some Asus thing that sounds like an aircraft at... Be Quiet Dark Rock 3 
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Samsung SM951 NVME 256GB Seagate Barracuda 1TB Some Asus thing that sounds like an aircraft at... Be Quiet Dark Rock 3 
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Windows 10 Logitech something Super Flower Leadex Platinum 550w Phanteks Enthoo Luxe 
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