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As much as you wish it to be true, Metro is not designed for typical desktop usage patterns. It is not a matter of getting used to the UI, it is a matter of directly cutting into productivity, period. Windows 8 pretty much requires the entire user base to be retrained, including administrators if it is deployed in this form to desktop machines. Sex appeal is up there, but the usability is in the tank.

Metro is faster then navigating through a slow and hard to read long list of applications in the classic start menu. So really your completely wrong there, on the traditional desktop you would have to click lower left, hover, scroll scroll scroll, click, click, click to just launch a application. This could take from anywhere up to a minute to find the right start menu entry. With Windows 8 all you have to click lower left, and then click on the application you want. So not only is it sexier, but its also much faster for multi tasking.
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As much as you wish it to be true, Metro is not designed for typical desktop usage patterns. It is not a matter of getting used to the UI, it is a matter of directly cutting into productivity, period. Windows 8 pretty much requires the entire user base to be retrained, including administrators if it is deployed in this form to desktop machines. Sex appeal is up there, but the usability is in the tank.

Metro is faster then navigating through a slow and hard to read long list of applications in the classic start menu. So really your completely wrong there, on the traditional desktop you would have to click lower left, hover, scroll scroll scroll, click, click, click to just launch a application. This could take from anywhere up to a minute to find the right start menu entry. With Windows 8 all you have to click lower left, and then click on the application you want. So not only is it sexier, but its also much faster for multi tasking.

Apparently you've never seen a search bar. Or for that matter figured out how to organize start menu folders. I chock that up to PEBKAC.

MetroUI does cut into productivity.

MetroUI is good for computer noobs. (And I take it you're not one, which baffles me even further as to why you'd prefer a fade in point and click system over a more lean start menu.)
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-The default Graphics driver installed by the OS was crashing all the time. Downloaded and installed the Win7 version from HP and it worked like a charm. thinking.gif
Yea, the default drivers are bad. Really bad. My system was locking up for 5-10 seconds every time I moved to open the side panel before installing Nvidia's drivers.
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So my question would be once I get it downloaded and installed, if I don't like it can I revert back to Vista...without an install disk? Also, I'm assuming I should manually backup all my info first before attempting this?

So is this just like a limited version? Which means I'll only be able to do certain things with the OS until I buy the retail version?
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After coming from Vista I have noticed considerable improvement in video games. In BF3 I am getting about a 5-8% increase FPS overall and in some spots on maps where my FPS would dip down to around 45 when i would look at certain areas is now gone. I always play with Vsync on and would sometimes dip to 52, in some spots it would be 45 but now it seems to be a steady 60 FPS. Again I am coming from Vista and I have already read reviews saying that Windows 7 was a huge leap forward performance wise over Vista and Windows 8 is suppose to be a leap forward over Windows 7.

I will buy Windows 8 upon release however i wish they could make it so that the metro UI could be removed, no one seems to enjoy it on any post here on OCN or any other websites that I browse. The metro UI to me feels like it tries to take my PC and turn it into a tablet with all these "cute" little shortcuts and apps that i can get from the Windows store, just stop it! If someone could make an app that would have a start button with the same layout as past Windows versions I would buy that in a heart beat, I hope Windows at least considers putting it back in before Windows 8 ships.
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Metro is faster then navigating through a slow and hard to read long list of applications in the classic start menu. So really your completely wrong there, on the traditional desktop you would have to click lower left, hover, scroll scroll scroll, click, click, click to just launch a application. This could take from anywhere up to a minute to find the right start menu entry. With Windows 8 all you have to click lower left, and then click on the application you want. So not only is it sexier, but its also much faster for multi tasking.

I think he pretty much nailed what my response would have been in the comment posted below. rolleyes.gif If you have a tablet or another form of touch interface, great, for desktop, terrible.

I love all other changes, but Metro is awful. Nah, it is beyond awful. Why they would not give a power-option to shut it off is beyond me entirely. I went from 1-2 clicks to get to where I want to be, to a whole process. At the end of the day I could care less about chrome, I want pure usability, and if that means that I want to look at the guts of the system then that is the ability that I should have. What made Windows appealing to the masses was it's consistency throughout the years. Don't change what works until you have given users an opportunity to at least test-drive the new system for a few years.
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Apparently you've never seen a search bar. Or for that matter figured out how to organize start menu folders. I chock that up to PEBKAC.
MetroUI does cut into productivity.
MetroUI is good for computer noobs. (And I take it you're not one, which baffles me even further as to why you'd prefer a fade in point and click system over a more lean start menu.)

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Apparently you've never seen a search bar. Or for that matter figured out how to organize start menu folders. I chock that up to PEBKAC.
MetroUI does cut into productivity.
MetroUI is good for computer noobs. (And I take it you're not one, which baffles me even further as to why you'd prefer a fade in point and click system over a more lean start menu.)

I believe you can still search just fine by pressing the windows key and then typing, the same as Windows 7. I'm installing it now to play with but I recall that being the case before.

Also, remember that everyone has different preferences. Just because you identify with a certain group does not automatically exclude or alienate anyone else who identifies with that group should they think differently from yourself.
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Metro is faster then navigating through a slow and hard to read long list of applications in the classic start menu. So really your completely wrong there, on the traditional desktop you would have to click lower left, hover, scroll scroll scroll, click, click, click to just launch a application. This could take from anywhere up to a minute to find the right start menu entry. With Windows 8 all you have to click lower left, and then click on the application you want. So not only is it sexier, but its also much faster for multi tasking.
Search is your friend. Windows Key > Start typing the program name > it's usually there pretty quick. It almost (or maybe literally?) can't get quicker or simpler. If not, it never took me "anywhere up to a minute" to find something, and I often use the "click the lower left, hover, scroll and click" old fashioned method myself. And then, for often used stuff, there's been start menu pinning since Windows XP.

How is Metro faster than this? I'm genuinely asking since I haven't tried it yet, but I was under the impression the tiles are essentially the pinned applications equivalent that you swipe, swipe, swipe, click, no?
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When windows 7 was first announced, when i was a pompous pubescent teenager, and I was trying out the beta, I remember loathing it. I liked xp way better because i was familiar with it, but as time went on and i actually used it for more then a couple hours it really grew on me.

Now as a more mature version of myself, having downloaded the dev. preview when it first came out, keeping an open mind, and using it as my secondary OS, have also grown to like windows 8.

 

Eh, Unlike most when I moved from XP to Vista I saw the potential and liked it. Acknowledged it's flaws, although I have to date jumped and used every windows OS since DOS and have NOT clung to the old ones lol. That said I am on Win7 now and am reticent to move to Win 8 based not just on what I saw in the press, but on responses from many others who have or are using it. I plan on giving it a shot in a VM but most of the stuff doesn't jive and not from a standpoint of obstinance, but from simple logical UI layouts. Most of what I see or read just doesn't scream out power user or even desktop use, most of what I see just makes sense for tablet UI's and I honestly would try it as that. It even makes partial sense if I controlled my PC using a Kinect. But for mouse and keyboard it appears to make things more difficult.

 

Will still try it with an open mind and hope that I am wrong though :)
 

 

    
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Intel RAID controller on an LGA1366/X58 platform, however I only use SSD drives. Also Intel RAID option ROM is version 11.5.0.1111. Install works out of Windows, but not if I try to do a clean install from a USB stick. Sadly Windows based install has no option to select the target drive.
I will try to reconfigure the storage driver to use RAID drivers direct out of the OS. I suspect this will require some registry tweaking. Right now if I switch back to RAID after installing in AHCI mode the OS just crashes at startup with the sad face (literally).

Odd. I'm not sure of the controller ROM version but I too am using a pair of SSDs in my array. I booted from the ISO to setup on a partition I had created for the install. Are you installing it on an array with 7 already on another partition or a clean unformatted array?

Sorry for the questions, just curious to see what is causing the issue so that I know how to avoid it in the future thumb.gif
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