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Search is your friend. Windows Key > Start typing the program name > it's usually there pretty quick. It almost (or maybe literally?) can't get quicker or simpler. If not, it never took me "anywhere up to a minute" to find something, and I often use the "click the lower left, hover, scroll and click" old fashioned method myself. And then, for often used stuff, there's been start menu pinning since Windows XP.
How is Metro faster than this? I'm genuinely asking since I haven't tried it yet, but I was under the impression the tiles are essentially the pinned applications equivalent that you swipe, swipe, swipe, click, no?
They are, so you are right on the money there. The whole Metro UI is meant for touch-interaction. Tiles are used to make an area easy to hit, lists are intended to be swiped. If you zoom out the tiles to see more (by going into the lower right corner when Metro launch screen is showing) on a high-resolution screen like the one that I have (it is a 27" 2560x1440) the tiles are not very readable. Like I said before, no matter how much some want to like this, it is not a good system for desktops. After all, don't be fooled in thinking that the only reason why the keyboard and mouse are still around is because people are lazy to change...had somebody found a better way of interacting with desktop systems we would all be using that method by now.

I guess one other thing is worth noting here though...while Metro is designed for touch interaction, the rest of the UI is hardly designed for touch interaction. The controls in Windows Explorer are packed too close together to be comfortable for touch use, especially on smaller screens irrespective of resolution. Viability of resolution-independent implementation is also questionable because scaling the ribbon for instance to fit on a small screen even if resolution independent will be extremely difficult while still making it at all usable.

Overall, the OS feels like a badly done hybrid between a tablet and desktop. It has the potential to be great in both environments but right now it sucks in both. I am not convinced that the hybrid approach will work.
Edited by dejanh - 3/1/12 at 1:10pm
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Just installed this and it is working great but the fact that I cant use my dedicated GPU on my laptop is a bummer. tongue.gif Is there anyway to go back to windows 7 or do I have to do a fresh reinstall.
    
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I don't like the MetroUI for desktop use at all. There are more steps and more mouse cursor movement with metro than with a typical start menu.

You can do all the same stuff but it takes "that much more" time, and quite frankly I find it annoying.

Good for touch screen users however.

Ex. I used to open programs by clicking the start orb, typing a snippit of the name, and hitting enter. To do the same thing you need to drag your mouse cursor to the bottom right, then up, click search, then type and enter.
Not to mention with a traditional start menu everything came up instantly and didn't fade in, making it that much more quicker as well.

Same crap, visually better, productivity wise horrible.

You just start typing from the metroUI and it does it automatically so in fact, they cut out the step involved with hitting the windows key.
     
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As much as you wish it to be true, Metro is not designed for typical desktop usage patterns. It is not a matter of getting used to the UI, it is a matter of directly cutting into productivity, period. Windows 8 pretty much requires the entire user base to be retrained, including administrators if it is deployed in this form to desktop machines. Sex appeal is up there, but the usability is in the tank.
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I don't like the MetroUI for desktop use at all. There are more steps and more mouse cursor movement with metro than with a typical start menu.
You can do all the same stuff but it takes "that much more" time, and quite frankly I find it annoying.
Good for touch screen users however.
Ex. I used to open programs by clicking the start orb, typing a snippit of the name, and hitting enter. To do the same thing you need to drag your mouse cursor to the bottom right, then up, click search, then type and enter.
Not to mention with a traditional start menu everything came up instantly and didn't fade in, making it that much more quicker as well.
Same crap, visually better, productivity wise horrible.

Try pressing windows key, then just...typing.

You'll automatically search for the application you wanted to find.

If you're in the start space you don't really need to click any function, unless you want to hunt you can right click, select all apps, then that shows everything like a traditional start menu.
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Ya'll got me there. But you know I'm not going down without grasping at something, usually dumb arguments. smile.gif

I hate how it's a whole separate screen that fades in and out, everything has huge tiles and just makes it feel unfinished. I will never use the tiles for starting programs so I don't see the need to make a whole new screen just for doing that.
Edited by Khaotik55 - 3/1/12 at 1:32pm
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Remember the old "Cancel or Allow" Apple ads that were joking Vista? I bet they bring that back in some form for Microsoft putting Metro on a PC. The amount of clicks and screen real estate you have to go through to get somewhere is awful.
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Search is your friend. Windows Key > Start typing the program name > it's usually there pretty quick. It almost (or maybe literally?) can't get quicker or simpler. If not, it never took me "anywhere up to a minute" to find something, and I often use the "click the lower left, hover, scroll and click" old fashioned method myself. And then, for often used stuff, there's been start menu pinning since Windows XP.
How is Metro faster than this? I'm genuinely asking since I haven't tried it yet, but I was under the impression the tiles are essentially the pinned applications equivalent that you swipe, swipe, swipe, click, no?

In Windows 8 the same shortcut is available and works exactly the same. So I fail to see how one would benefit from it. Below is an example of launching notepad using that method.

Windows Key.

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Type in "note"

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Hit enter and it launches the application. Most people bash on Metro because either 1. they haven't tried it yet, or 2. are afraid of change. As a game developer I've only noticed faster multi tasking with Windows 8 and all around better performance. People need to stop bashing on Metro because its really only a small learning curve. I think I hit the nail on the head when I say Windows 8 is another case of Unity for Ubuntu. People kept bashing on it because of how buggy it was during its first release, sorta like Windows 8 developer preview. But once Canonical got most of the kinks and dents ironed out of the shell, everyone started to love it. I feel the same trend happening here. The metro UI offers something different then the traditional desktop environment (I mean really if Metro didn't exist it would be just a remake of Windows 7) so Microsoft had to do something. Not only does it make tablets and touch devices all the more easier. It also opens up a whole new world to desktop applications. I've giving some thought to actually coding a Netflix app to work with the Metro UI so people can just link their account and all they would have to do is click the tile and it would open up the movie browser instantly. I mean there's so much that can be done to make things much simpler and easier to use. I suggest anyone whos used the developer preview and not the consumer to download consumer and test drive it. There's a world of difference between the two. And there should be a world of difference between consumer and the RC.
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How do you disable the new start screen? Has anyone tried it?
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How do you disable the new start screen? Has anyone tried it?

As I have stated, Microsoft has already scrapped the code for the Start Menu. It cannot be "tweaked" back into existence anymore as it was striped from the OS all together. Give it some time and someone will develop a program to emulate the classic start menu.
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Windows 7 - Start key > type "note" > Return - total 3 actions
Windows 8 - Start key > type "note" > Return - total 3 actions

First, while this is the same number of actions, the amount of time it takes to execute is very different, taking longer in Windows 8, and definitely likely to take even longer once you have a full system up and running with many tiles being displayed. Second, it moves you away from the main productivity screen completely to launch an application. Why? This type of behavior is distracting, slow, and just clunky. I do not agree that Unity comparison is fair. Unity did not dump the user into a different workspace each time you want to do something. Metro does, and it is slow and ugly.

For example, let's say that you are trying to troubleshoot something that requires multitasking and launching multiple applications while simultaneously reading instructions and monitoring the behavior of some system processes (I know that the scenario is complicated but I want to get a point across). Each time you try to launch a new application or do anything you are forced to completely move away from your main working screen. This breaks workflow and it breaks efficient multitasking. I have not tested every feature yet, but I would suspect that application switching is screwed much in the same way.

Spin it any way you want, it is not friendly for anything but casual users on tablets.
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