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For example, let's say that you are trying to troubleshoot something that requires multitasking and launching multiple applications while simultaneously reading instructions and monitoring the behavior of some system processes (I know that the scenario is complicated but I want to get a point across). Each time you try to launch a new application or do anything you are forced to completely move away from your main working screen. This breaks workflow and it breaks efficient multitasking.


This is what I was thinking, but I didn't know how to say it other than "I don't like how it's a whole new window". tongue.gif
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Windows 7 - Start key > type "note" > Return - total 3 actions
Windows 8 - Start key > type "note" > Return - total 3 actions
First, while this is the same number of actions, the amount of time it takes to execute is very different, taking longer in Windows 8, and definitely likely to take even longer once you have a full system up and running with many tiles being displayed. Second, it moves you away from the main productivity screen completely to launch an application. Why? This type of behavior is distracting, slow, and just clunky. I do not agree that Unity comparison is fair. Unity did not dump the user into a different workspace each time you want to do something. Metro does, and it is slow and ugly.
For example, let's say that you are trying to troubleshoot something that requires multitasking and launching multiple applications while simultaneously reading instructions and monitoring the behavior of some system processes (I know that the scenario is complicated but I want to get a point across). Each time you try to launch a new application or do anything you are forced to completely move away from your main working screen. This breaks workflow and it breaks efficient multitasking. I have not tested every feature yet, but I would suspect that application switching is screwed much in the same way.
Spin it any way you want, it is not friendly for anything but casual users on tablets.


WHAT?! stop trying to run this on your i386 dude. The actions are faster on Windows 8 then on Windows 7 (takes me exactly 1.5 seconds to launch notepad using win -> note -> enter) if you don't believe me ill record a video and compare it to anyone who has Windows 7. And the transition between the desktop and metro interface is completely smooth, fast, and functional. I believe the Unity comparison is completely fair, and close to exactly the same situation. Windows 8 doesn't "dump" you into a new environment at all. It directs you to a visual interface where you can make all of your typical start menu actions and then some. FYI the super bar has not changed from Windows 7 to Windows 8, if you were doing that heavy of a workload to where you wish to not be bothered by a start menu then pin it to the task bar. In case if you didn't know but the classic start menu was never part of the desktop environment to begin with either. smile.gif
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This is what I was thinking, but I didn't know how to say it other than "I don't like how it's a whole new window". tongue.gif
You're welcome tongue.gif
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WHAT?! stop trying to run this on your i386 dude. The actions are faster on Windows 8 then on Windows 7 if you don't believe me ill record a video and compare it to anyone who has Windows 7. And the transition between the desktop and metro interface is completely smooth, fast, and functional. I believe the Unity comparison is completely fair, and close to exactly the same situation. Windows 8 doesn't "dump" you into a new environment at all. It directs you to a visual interface where you can make all of your typical start menu actions and then some. FYI the super bar has not changed from Windows 7 to Windows 8, if you were doing that heavy of a workload to where you wish to not be bothered by a start menu then pin it to the task bar. In case if you didn't know but the classic start menu was never part of the desktop environment to begin with either. wink.gif
Broad actions yes, I absolutely agree that they are faster. Navigating from task to task is not. I am not running it on a i386 rolleyes.gif In fact I am running it on the same system as my Windows 7. Even stripped down against Windows 7 it is slower and less efficient for multitasking until you have every single bit of what you want to up on your working screen.

How you can say that it does not "dump" you into a new environment is beyond me. You are either blind or ignorant or both. It completely dumps you into a new environment that does not look, feel, or function like the rest of the OS.

As for pinning to the task bar, I'm not going to pin and unpin applications every single time I change or tweak my workflow. That is retarded. Pinning to task-bar is meant for quick access, not to facilitate multitasking.

Windows 95 introduced the start menu, and it has been a pretty successful since then with same/similar ideas being present across pretty much every other OS out there. If it was not an effective way of interfacing to facilitate productivity and multitasking it would have been scrapped a long time ago.

This is not a leap forward for productivity, and no amount of convincing that you try to do is going to change my mind. Only showing me that you can more effectively do the same actions on Metro using the same system will.

At the end of the day, different systems exist for a reason. Not all usage patterns and requirements are the same. I hate being forced to conform to a dumbed down, blatantly idiotic interface so that I can conform to average user. Tablets are not productivity devices and trying to pull them into the same realm as desktops through UI unification is absolutely stupid. It is a step back, not forward. In fact, I have the same opinion of tablets and "apps" in general. By and large apps are nothing but a collection of half-baked, poorly thought out garbage that can be spewed en-mass for profit. It is much more profitable than selling large scale properly designed applications. A few years back if you told somebody "how about I sell you functions of your application instead of the whole application" they would look at you and laugh right in your face. Now that has become the norm. Everything now days passes for applications and I think it basically takes a giant dump on the whole profession of software engineering.
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I am going to boot this as a xen HVM and pass it a video card. I am eager to try it out. thumb.gif
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EDIT::

I've just been using Windows 8 for the past half hour, I'm starting to like it.
Edited by jameschisholm - 3/1/12 at 5:09pm
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You're welcome tongue.gif
Broad actions yes, I absolutely agree that they are faster. Navigating from task to task is not. I am not running it on a i386 rolleyes.gif In fact I am running it on the same system as my Windows 7. Even stripped down against Windows 7 it is slower and less efficient for multitasking until you have every single bit of what you want to up on your working screen.
How you can say that it does not "dump" you into a new environment is beyond me. You are either blind or ignorant or both. It completely dumps you into a new environment that does not look, feel, or function like the rest of the OS.
As for pinning to the task bar, I'm not going to pin and unpin applications every single time I change or tweak my workflow. That is retarded. Pinning to task-bar is meant for quick access, not to facilitate multitasking.
Windows 95 introduced the start menu, and it has been a pretty successful since then with same/similar ideas being present across pretty much every other OS out there. If it was not an effective way of interfacing to facilitate productivity and multitasking it would have been scrapped a long time ago.
This is not a leap forward for productivity, and no amount of convincing that you try to do is going to change my mind. Only showing me that you can more effectively do the same actions on Metro using the same system will.
At the end of the day, different systems exist for a reason. Not all usage patterns and requirements are the same. I hate being forced to conform to a dumbed down, blatantly idiotic interface so that I can conform to average user. Tablets are not productivity devices and trying to pull them into the same realm as desktops through UI unification is absolutely stupid. It is a step back, not forward. In fact, I have the same opinion of tablets and "apps" in general. By and large apps are nothing but a collection of half-baked, poorly thought out garbage that can be spewed en-mass for profit. It is much more profitable than selling large scale properly designed applications. A few years back if you told somebody "how about I sell you functions of your application instead of the whole application" they would look at you and laugh right in your face. Now that has become the norm. Everything now days passes for applications and I think it basically takes a giant dump on the whole profession of software engineering.

Windows 8 is faster and more efficient then Windows 7 (maybe you should read up on how much IO and network overhead was eliminated). You just said clear as day that you wish you could launch a application without going to the start menu, clearly you have yet to learn how to use the new super bar introduced in Windows 7. The super bar was built FOR pinning applications to it for ease of access. Even using the metro interface launching programs are 10x faster then using the classic start menu. Windows 95 introduced the new desktop environment that we all come to know today 16 years ago. Its time for a change its the 21'st century for crying out loud how long did you think Microsoft was going to milk the classic start menu? People like you are throwing a fit because your so use to the old ways of doing things and are to ignorant to learn how to do it the faster more efficient way. Sure the metro interface was designed for the touch/tablet market in mind. But it serves as a solid platform for desktop users as well. You know whats really ignorant? when every other user comes into these threads and cry about how butt hurt they are about the metro design. You guys do understand if you don't like the metro interface you don't need to use Windows 8, as Windows 7 is still a fairly new player on the field. I mean really it went from pro's and con's about it to posts like "omg I cant use this garbage, what the fudge Microsoft thinking?!?" its ridiculous...
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Is there a feedback button? tongue.gif
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Is there a feedback button? tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by Microsoft 
The best way to provide feedback is to participate in the Windows 8 Consumer Preview forum. On this dedicated forum, you'll find thousands of other Windows enthusiasts who are testing our product, posting their experiences, and participating in the Windows 8 Consumer Preview online community. In particular, if you think you've encountered a problem that you'd like to have addressed in future releases of Windows 8, post a “Bug Report” about your issue on the Windows 8 Consumer Preview forum. In your post, describe what you encountered, any text or messages that were displayed, and other information that would help us reproduce your issue in our own testing environments. We're monitoring the Windows 8 Consumer Preview forum and might ask you to post additional information to help us improve the experience.

You can also provide feedback by participating in the Windows Feedback Program and help shape the next generation of Windows. Learn more.

I guess no built in feedback support.
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Odd. To me the feedback button is pretty much plastered everywhere. tongue.gif

At least in all the metro apps.
     
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Odd. To me the feedback button is pretty much plastered everywhere. tongue.gif
At least in all the metro apps.

But them are app specific feedback, I think hes referring to the a feedback where he can post about anything. tongue.gif You can sign up for a spot on the feedback panel here.

http://wfp.microsoft.com/signup.aspx
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