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Even Anandtech says Windows 8 Metro UI sucks.
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And just as an aside, I know that Windows 8 isn’t final by any stretch of the imagination, but while the Metro UI (and UI changes in general) seems like it would work great on a tablet, I’m ready to go on record as saying I think it sucks for traditional desktop and laptop users. Without a touch interface, Metro feels weird at best and downright awful at worst. What’s more, getting a touchscreen for a desktop or laptop isn’t actually something I’m clamoring for. Does using a 24” or 30” touchscreen on my desktop sound enjoyable? Not at all, and a 15” laptop touchscreen wouldn’t be much better. Maybe it would help me build up a bit of arm strength, but that’s about the only upside. Add on fingerprints—a personal pet peeve that smartphones and tablets still suffer from—and I’m more than happy to stick with the “boring” old Start Menu. That’s just my initial impression of course; anyone else have similar—or different—feelings after playing around with the Win8 CP?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5619/windows-8-consumer-preview-a-quick-look-at-battery-life

Also battery life on Windows 8 is much worse than Windows 7.

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Its simple, if you don't like Metro then guess what? you don't have to use it. Writing review about how much the metro interface effects you as an individual reflects just one out of billions of people in this world. Windows 7 is fine for you who wish to favor the classic desktop. The metro interface is here to stay and there is no getting rid of it. You can post about how much you want them to remove it or change it but it wont happen. Even Visual Studio 2011 has gotten reworked to support the development of Metro applications. This tells me that the metro interface will become a desktop environment for many Windows versions to come. I got a feeling we will see the classic desktop environment re-introduced in Windows 9 but I don't think Microsoft has any intentions on repolishing that same turd much longer. The Metro interface has proven to be fast, efficient, and very easy to use even on a desktop computer with kb+m. Even in a work environment it will eventually be proven to be better then the classic start menu. Why? Because major manufactures now have the power of utilizing the metro design and build more powerful applications that control charts, graphs, and all kinds of information with just a single click. Its no longer thrown into a folder that takes several minutes to find. I could sit here all day and dispute my facts against your complaints all day. But maybe you will take the time out to try it, learn it, and understand the concept behind it other then "omg its for touch screen and tablets". Because even if Windows 9 does go back to the classic start menu, the metro design will always be an option. smile.gif

Are you a Microsoft employee ? You just sound mad about how great Metro is, but provide ZERO counter arguments, yet I wrote a review with screenshots with actual resons why it doesn't work, and so did many other people. The fact Microsoft is shoving everything they can behind it doesn't mean it will suceed, face that fact. The Netburst architecture was also a big thing for Intel and they ditched it. Windows Vista was also great but people didn't like it.

Face the fact, Windows 8 will NOW start to be used by the general public, and even then it won't be in mass numbers, so you have no solid facts how the billions of people will react to such a drastic change. Yet, I do, experience tells me and everybody else that people will not like going backwards. Metro is actually less effcient on the desktop and mainly a gimmick to promote tablets, smartphones and their App Store. Once people start using it in stores and being completely turned off by it's clumsy interface, then we'll see how well it sells.

Yes, I also get the feeling Microsoft will re-introduce the Start Menu in Windows 9, Windows 8 will just be to convince everybody of how great Windows 8 is on the ultra mobile platforms (phones and tablets), but they are going to be sacrificing the desktop users for that, and to some extent, even the desired market. This is the wrong way to do it. They need more time to refine the Metro experience on the desktop. It's evident that as it is it's a half baked product. They still don't know where they are taking it. I mean, they made a 100,000 modifications based on user feedback. How wrong was the Developer Preview ? And how wrong is the Consumer Preview still ? Microsoft has a well known track record of doing this kind of releases where it messes things up by changing too much without proper consolidation. The first example is Windows ME, which is basically an attempt to bring Windows 2000 / XP features to the Win 9x platform. It was a mess. Windows XP was the perfected product that came later. The same thing happened with Windows Vista -> Windows 7, and the same will happen now with Windows 8 -> Windows 9.
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Its simple, if you don't like Metro then guess what? you don't have to use it. Writing review about how much the metro interface effects you as an individual reflects just one out of billions of people in this world. Windows 7 is fine for you who wish to favor the classic desktop. The metro interface is here to stay and there is no getting rid of it. You can post about how much you want them to remove it or change it but it wont happen. Even Visual Studio 2011 has gotten reworked to support the development of Metro applications. This tells me that the metro interface will become a desktop environment for many Windows versions to come. I got a feeling we will see the classic desktop environment re-introduced in Windows 9 but I don't think Microsoft has any intentions on repolishing that same turd much longer. The Metro interface has proven to be fast, efficient, and very easy to use even on a desktop computer with kb+m. Even in a work environment it will eventually be proven to be better then the classic start menu. Why? Because major manufactures now have the power of utilizing the metro design and build more powerful applications that control charts, graphs, and all kinds of information with just a single click. Its no longer thrown into a folder that takes several minutes to find. I could sit here all day and dispute my facts against your complaints all day. But maybe you will take the time out to try it, learn it, and understand the concept behind it other then "omg its for touch screen and tablets". Because even if Windows 9 does go back to the classic start menu, the metro design will always be an option. smile.gif

Can you explain how Windows 8 has made it easy for kb+m? For example closing a full screen app? Or shutting down the computer? Have the ways to do things cut down on mouse clicks or movement? Is it shorter/faster to hoover your mouse, keep it still, and wait for the menu to pop-up than just couple of clicks to access a menu? Do you have to keep your hand on the keyboard and mouse all the time while using Windows 8 so that you can do all types of shortcuts? Or will just using a mouse faster on Windows 8 than 7?
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Are you thick? Metro uses hardly any resources. I noticed no speed difference on my machine at all. At first it was a bit of a *** moment using it but I actually really like this system. It's about as different as the ribbons on Office 2007. People HATED those when they first came out, but they really are something special.
The only thing I can see that you'd consider resource usage, is the fact that Windows 8 for the most part suspends applications rather than closing them much like how the Android application lifecycle works. It's fairly neat how it does this.
This isn't different in any way. You're used to pressing the little start button and doing stuff. They changed the whole game for everybody, and people obviously balk at change. Here's a tip. It's not bad.
Once you sign into a MS account, which allows you to sync windows settings across PC's, you can sync up gmail and google calendars, and pretty much everything else under the sun. I was pretty much stumped at this as well, until I signed in using an old MS account I had for expertzone. The entire OS opened up to me, I was impressed.
When developers figure out this new WinRT/Metro environment, there's going to be even more stuff to use and play around with, so it'll get even better.
Also if you want to split the desktop with a widget, you drag the widget from the top of the screen to the left or right, then open the desktop tile.
I really like Windows 8, it's modern, fast, it has some interesting ways to do things, and I dunno, I'm planning on dual booting it and using it for a while to get used to it. It's a learning experience, Although I feel bad for those who work in retail, because all the morons are going to balk at this in droves, until they start using it.

I haven't used it on my main desktop to really feel the difference so you could very well be right (And from what im reading here you are right, it is faster then windows 7)... But like i said i before I am far from enthused about windows8. And in all honesty as a "PC" I would hope Microsoft wouldn't come out with slower OS.

But what I was trying to point out is It would use even less resources without these full screen menus... Its a waste of time. Your literally reducing productive every single time you press start. Think about that for a second. In the middle of work you press the window key so you can instantly type & search important files. And you are greeted with this MediaCenterUI. Taking you completely away from the computer to see what used to take up no space at all... It is a complete and utter waste of resources is what i am trying to point out to you. It adds no value!!!!!! This has to be the tablet edition of windows 8. There is no way you can try to integrate your start menu like this & expect it to work in the real world. And its more then the start menu, im just to lazy to point out all the menus that were once readily accessible and are now lost in this giant waste of productivity.

This needs to be put on some android tablet. It would kill there... But Windows8 MetroUI is beneath my desktop. At best this should be an option for when you are sitting a great distance away like in a HTPC setup. As it stands now this will never pass in my book.
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Sadly, this GUI is more functional than Windows 8 Metro UI.
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Are you a Microsoft employee ? You just sound mad about how great Metro is, but provide ZERO counter arguments, yet I wrote a review with screenshots with actual resons why it doesn't work, and so did many other people. The fact Microsoft is shoving everything they can behind it doesn't mean it will suceed, face that fact. The Netburst architecture was also a big thing for Intel and they ditched it. Windows Vista was also great but people didn't like it.
Face the fact, Windows 8 will NOW start to be used by the general public, and even then it won't be in mass numbers, so you have no solid facts how the billions of people will react to such a drastic change. Yet, I do, experience tells me and everybody else that people will not like going backwards. Metro is actually less effcient on the desktop and a mainly a gimmick to rpomote tablets, smartphones and their App Store. Once people start using it in stores and being completely turned off by it's clumsy interface, then we'll see how well it sells.
Yes, I also get the feeling Microsoft will re-introduce the Start Menu in Windows 9, Windows 8 will just be to convince everybody of how great Windows 8 is on the ultra mobile platforms (phones and tablets), but they are going to be sacrificing the desktop users for that, and to some extent, even the desired market. This is the wrong way to do it. They need more time to refine the Metro experience on the desktop. It's evident that as it is it's a half baked product. They still don't know where they are taking it. I mean, they made a 100,000 modifications based on user feedback. How wrong was the Developer Preview ? And how wrong is the Consumer Preview still ? Microsoft has a well know track record of doing this kind of releases where it messes things up by changing too much without proper consolidation. hte first example is Windows ME, which is basically an attempt to bring Windows 2000 / XP features to the Win 9x platform. It was a mess. Windows XP was the perfected product that came later. The same thing happened with Windows Vista -> Windows 7, and the same will happen now with Windows 8 -> Windows 9.

Take it from someone with much more experience then you. Oh how you got it all wrong. I see potential, you see cry baby reasons why you don't like it. Windows 8 is far from a Release Candidate and there is a boat load more to be done to the OS. If you paid any attention from the developer preview to the consumer preview you would notice that Windows 8 is on the right track to being successful. If successful it will sell more copies then Windows 7 not only because its cross platform capable. But more along the lines of what can be done with Windows 8 that cant with any previous version of Windows. I suggest everyone stop acting all butt hurt about Metro and let Microsoft push this thing out the door before people start making final gestures. This isn't Vista where the entire OS was a flop until two service packs later, this is a rock solid OS built off of 7. There is no reason to say its a pile when its only on its consumer preview release. Once developers get their hands on Visual Studio 2011 and Windows 8 after it retails im sure apps will blow up like crazy. Every application that you come to know will most likely end up ported to support Metro in some sort of way. I honestly don't see a reason for Microsoft to add in so much Metro functions in Visual Studio if they knew it was going to be a flop. Which also means the Metro style will be used in the future as its become a part of Windows programming.
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Can you explain how Windows 8 has made it easy for kb+m?

It is easy.
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For example closing a full screen app?

ALT+F4, stated many times prior
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Or shutting down the computer?

Windows key from metro to desktop and ALT+F4 on desktop.
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Have the ways to do things cut down on mouse clicks or movement? Is it shorter/faster to hoover your mouse, keep it still, and wait for the menu to pop-up than just couple of clicks to access a menu? Do you have to keep your hand on the keyboard and mouse all the time while using Windows 8 so that you can do all types of shortcuts? Or will just using a mouse faster on Windows 8 than 7?

Most of the menu is stored in hidden panels that pop up when you right click. I prefer to use the KB exclusively for most things since it is much more efficient than the mouse for everything except link clicking and block text manipulation.
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Face the fact, Windows 8 will NOW start to be used by the general public, and even then it won't be in mass numbers, so you have no solid facts how the billions of people will react to such a drastic change. Yet, I do, experience tells me and everybody else that people will not like going backwards. Metro is actually less effcient on the desktop and mainly a gimmick to promote tablets, smartphones and their App Store. Once people start using it in stores and being completely turned off by it's clumsy interface, then we'll see how well it sells.

It's great how you say that he can't know how millions of people will react to it and then counter by saying you DO know. rolleyes.gif

I think the general population is going to eat Win8 up. This is something that is easy to interface with and most people care more about convenience when using their OS. The app store is easy and safe for them to use and people will not have to worry about viruses coming through there. I'm sorry it doesn't appeal to your highly customized rainmeter desktop that took time to configure but almost no one outside the enthusiast community uses it. Hell most of the computers I see usually have default wallpapers and themes. People are going to like the simplicity of the UI and the keyboard shortcuts will appeal to the people that need to do things quickly.
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The pdf reader needs a non-metro version, and the search bar needs a non-metro version too (I don't like full screen).
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I absolutely love this OS and I have done almost nothing on it so far. I don't even feel the need to leave the Metro GUI at all - and browsing the web is 100x better even using a keyboard and a mouse. This is what I think the next revolution in PC software will be like - thank you Microsoft! Haven't been this excited since Windows 95 came out! smile.gif
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