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Not that I'm defending the review, but 2133MHz RAM would bring the system to a completely different price point. I don't see the logic in pairing such pricey RAM with an APU. I also recall seeing a review that shows even for an overclocked Llano chip, the benefits of anything over 1600MHz were only slight.

If $15 more for 20% more performance is unreasonable please shoot me.
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Not that I'm defending the review, but 2133MHz RAM would bring the system to a completely different price point. I don't see the logic in pairing such pricey RAM with an APU. I also recall seeing a review that shows even for an overclocked Llano chip, the benefits of anything over 1600MHz were only slight.

You can get 8gb of 2000 ram for like 60 bucks or less.
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toms really has gone downhill and continues so
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If $15 more for 20% more performance is unreasonable please shoot me.

The entire goal was to compare an APU and discrete setup at the same price point........
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toms really has gone downhill and continues so

The only thing that continues to go downhill is the intelligence of people on this site.
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If $15 more for 20% more performance is unreasonable please shoot me.

Where did you get the 20% performance gain? I've never seen a benchmark show any substantial gain from RAM faster than 1600. For example: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/44338-amd-a8-3850-apu-review-llano-hits-desktop-6.html
     
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Awesome. Good news for AMD.

I do wish AMD would continue to compete on the high end though. Once they start off-loading a lot to the integrated GPU we are going to see these chips shine.
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The entire goal was to compare an APU and discrete setup at the same price point........
The only thing that continues to go downhill is the intelligence of people on this site.

The $140 doesn't include RAM, does it? rolleyes.gif

I could easily say an Intel motherboard is more costly anyway so your point is moot
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Where did you get the 20% performance gain? I've never seen a benchmark show any substantial gain from RAM faster than 1600. For example: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/44338-amd-a8-3850-apu-review-llano-hits-desktop-6.html

http://www.overclockers.com/overclocking-amds-llano-apu/

shows a typical ~10% performance increase between 1866 and 2256, and since according to your own research memory scaling isn't as great abov 1600MHz... you can imagine the performance increase
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A++++++++ BAIT WOULD FALL FOR AGAIN

Can I steal this?

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This graph concerns me. I had no idea the gap was that large. I never thought that Llano was some sort of record holder in terms of power consumption, but that's pretty bad.

On the other hand, there's a major advantage to using an A8 vs. SNB Pentium + 6670: you can always add in a graphics card later. With the dedicated GPU setup, you can't always do that - especially with a budget board - as most of them won't have an additional slot. Even if there was an additional slot and you decided to crossfire an additional 6670, you'd be able to do the same with the Llano platform. I hope that makes sense. redface.gif

Also, like someone pointed out earlier, there's the form factor benefit of Llano.

I never felt like Llano was some sort of home run product... it's got its niche. It's great in laptops, and until recently with the price drop on the 6670 (which made this article possible), it was pretty good in a budget desktop build. Still, the main thing that AMD offers over Intel is overclocking - even locked multiplier CPUs can be pushed a bit, while with Intel you're basically stuck unless you buy a dead-end platform or pony up for a 2500k.
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Can I steal this?
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This graph concerns me. I had no idea the gap was that large. I never thought that Llano was some sort of record holder in terms of power consumption, but that's pretty bad.
On the other hand, there's a major advantage to using an A8 vs. SNB Pentium + 6670: you can always add in a graphics card later. With the dedicated GPU setup, you can't always do that - especially with a budget board - as most of them won't have an additional slot. Even if there was an additional slot and you decided to crossfire an additional 6670, you'd be able to do the same with the Llano platform. I hope that makes sense. redface.gif
Also, like someone pointed out earlier, there's the form factor benefit of Llano.
I never felt like Llano was some sort of home run product... it's got its niche. It's great in laptops, and until recently with the price drop on the 6670 (which made this article possible), it was pretty good in a budget desktop build. Still, the main thing that AMD offers over Intel is overclocking - even locked multiplier CPUs can be pushed a bit, while with Intel you're basically stuck unless you buy a dead-end platform or pony up for a 2500k.

Not that i'm right, at all, but something seems fishy with that chart... winksmiley02.gif
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Not that i'm right, at all, but something seems fishy with that chart... winksmiley02.gif

Or we can just blame GloFlo. smile.gif

Meh double post.
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